Talk:The Legend of Total Drama Island

Guessing Games
Most of these guessing games are dual-format: the usual “put your name by your choice” to have you guess on the public record; and a poll so you can tell us what you really think. There are currently no prizes on offer, because I can’t think of anything, but that could always change.

Don’t try to read anything into the order of the choices—it’s just alphabetical.

Winner Guessing
Who will win? Beth Bridgette Cody Courtney D.J. Duncan Eva Ezekiel Geoff Gwen Harold Heather Izzy Justin Katie LeShawna Lindsay Noah Owen Sadie Trent Tyler

Mark your choice below if you want to have your guess on record, in case I can actually think of a prize. Don't forget to vote in the poll, as well (not necessarily for the same person):


 * Beth: I don't know.. she's good? Mr.  Fluffy  Pants  02:10, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bridgette: My second choice. Awesome Users &amp; Friends: LF, Josie, Zoomer, SG, OHF, Snow, &amp; Blaineley! 00:53, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cody: Mrdaimion:   Like you,   only better.  00:43, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Courtney: Oh, come on. I bought KFC. It pretends to be southern, you pretend to be southern.  Don't go there!  03:20, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * D.J.: Animal lover! :P JustLittleOlMe Lil   Jay JLOM   Mrs. Gideon  02:42, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Duncan: TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 00:48, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eva: Lalainee SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE HERE 02:05, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ezekiel:
 * Geoff:
 * Gwen:  Watch out,  He’s one of them.   Zap!    Way to go, Zoom.  17:58, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Harold:-- Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last,  that's why I'll treat you like trash." 00:53, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Heather: I don't think she's gonna win, but I wanna her to win. Bruno!   Talk!   Editcount!  03:30, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Izzy: SG has a habit   of changing his siggy   once a month.  01:17, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Justin: Sprinklemist hasn't changed his signature in a long time. 03:29, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Katie:-- Kenzen -  Talk  -  Edits  01:54, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * LeShawna: Goldenshane 02:42, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lindsay: I really wish   you could all   be California boys.  00:52, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Noah: --HINT:A AWESOME USER, that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, what's with Cyan? 01:57, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Owen:
 * Sadie: Reddude
 * Trent: ~ RPs & Writes!  ♪   Dakota    ♫  Talks & Edits!  17:54, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tyler: Koops

Final Three Guessing
This is the only guessing game without a poll option, because there are too many possibilities to put in a poll. Bonus points for getting them in order of finish, so here's another way to get your winner guess on record if your first choice in the Winner Guessing was taken. Record your guess below:

Cody, Trent, Sadie. Mrdaimion:  Like you,   only better.  00:42, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Izzy, Duncan, Ezekiel TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 00:48, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Harold, Lindsay, Ezekiel-- Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last,  that's why I'll treat you like trash." 00:54, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Bridgette, DJ, Gwen - This diaper is my virtue. My anus is the demon of doo-doo. 01:07, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sadie, Lindsay, and Noah. No one ever let's Bridgette, my favorite go far so I have lost faith, for now. --HINT:A AWESOME USER, that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, what's with Cyan? 01:58, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Gwen, Lindsay, and Cody. :D If you have found this, you are a stealth ninja. Where'd my signature go? 01:08, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Gwen, DJ, Heather <font color="SpringGreen">Tdi <font color="Silver">Heavy Metal Lover - Lady Gaga<font color="Red">California King Bed - Rihanna 02:04, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Cody, LaShawna, Noah JustLittleOlMe Lil   Jay JLOM   Mrs. Gideon  01:33, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

DJ, Heather, LeShawna. My name  is   Bruno!  05:01, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Storyteller Guessing
In the prologue, the Storyteller said that she did “pretty well” but didn’t win. Keep that in mind when recording your guess, especially if you have an entry in the Winner Guessing.

Who is telling the story? Beth Bridgette Courtney Eva Gwen Heather Izzy Katie LeShawna Lindsay Sadie

Mark your choice below if you want to have your guess on record, in case I can actually think of a prize. Don't forget to vote in the poll, as well (not necessarily for the same person):


 * Beth: --<font color="#00008B">HINT:A AWESOME USER, <font color="#D2691E">that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, <font color="#00FFFF">what's with Cyan? 01:58, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bridgette: I really wish   you could all   be California boys.  00:52, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Courtney:-- Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last,  that's why I'll treat you like trash." 00:54, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eva: <font color="Orange">Lalainee <font color="Pink">SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE HERE 02:07, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Gwen: TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 00:48, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Heather: Mrdaimion:   Like you,   only better.  00:41, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Izzy: Bruno!   Talk!   Editcount!  03:30, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Katie: ~ <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(aqua), to(red)); border:4px ridge #black;">RPs & Writes!  ♪   <font face="Samdan">Dakota    ♫  Talks & Edits!  17:54, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * LeShawna:- The Anonymous User 04:03, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lindsay: Reddude
 * Sadie: Oh, come on. I bought KFC. It pretends to be southern, you pretend to be southern.  Don't go there!  03:20, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Paternity Guessing
If you did the math in the Prologue, you know that Brett is the right age to have been conceived either during the competition or within a few months afterward. If some of the options seem unlikely and/or squicky, I’m just covering all the bases.

Who is Brett’s father? Cody D.J. Duncan Ezekiel Geoff Harold Justin Noah Owen Trent Tyler Alejandro the intern another intern Chef Hatchet Chris someone not connected to the show

Mark your guess below if you want to have your guess on record, in case I can actually think of a prize. Don't forget to vote in the poll, as well (not necessarily for the same person):


 * Cody:
 * D.J.: Oh, come on. I bought KFC. It pretends to be southern, you pretend to be southern.  Don't go there!  03:20, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Duncan:- The Anonymous User 04:03, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ezekiel: --<font color="#00008B">HINT:A AWESOME USER, <font color="#D2691E">that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, <font color="#00FFFF">what's with Cyan? 01:59, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Geoff: <font color="Orange">Lalainee <font color="Pink">SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE HERE 02:06, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Harold:
 * Justin:Reddude
 * Noah:-- Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last,  that's why I'll treat you like trash." 00:56, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Owen: Bruno!   Talk!   Editcount!  03:30, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Trent: <font size="+1"> Watch out, <font size="-2"> He’s one of them.  <font size="+3"> Zap!    Way to go, Zoom.  17:59, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tyler: ~ <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(aqua), to(red)); border:4px ridge #black;">RPs & Writes!  ♪   <font face="Samdan">Dakota    ♫  Talks & Edits!  18:01, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Alejandro the intern: JustLittleOlMe Lil   Jay JLOM   Mrs. Gideon  01:41, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * another intern:
 * Chef Hatchet:
 * Chris:
 * someone not connected to the show: TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 00:48, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Prologue/Prelaunch Discussion
Okay. *reads prologue* This sounds awesome. I am officially excited for it. Sprinklemist Cyan is the new green. 03:19, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I just know I will really enjoy this story, as it is basically the telling of Total Drama Island from the perspective of a contestant, which means we get to see another side of the story! If I had to guess who the story is being told by, I would have to guess either Heather, Gwen or Courtney, but I guess I will just have to wait and see!- The Anonymous User 03:33, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Mai. Gawd. This. Was. Epic. So. Much. I. Can't. Speak. Without. One. Word. Setntences. XD. Epic. Job! --Reddude

Oh my goodness. *adds to bookmark widget* Another FF to stalk on My Home.

Any particular reason for that guess, TAU, beyond the fact that those three were central to my previous stories? Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:22, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Epic! I loved this "chapter" of the story. After a year of waiting...I get to see Gideon write again! Goldenshane 13:11, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I also got a Gwen or Heather vibe from reading it. I'm really not sure why. Watch it be someone random, like Izzy. XD Sprinklemist Cyan is the new green. 13:21, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Bet it's Eva.-Nad331

It could always be Leshawna or Bridgette...for me, it gives me a Heather or Bridgette vibe. Izzy drowned at the age of twenty-six after sinking from a ship, remember? XD...weird Legacy reference... Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  17:54, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I guessed one of those three as they seem most likely and most fitting to tell a Gideoncrawle-style tale about the horrors of first-season TDI. I know Heather and Gwen were infamous for griping about every minute detail of Chris' sadism or Chef's brutality/culinary "skills" or just the experience as a whole. I chose Courtney for similar reasons, but she was only a second-quarter out, so she would be less likely if it weren't for her seemingly timeless grudge-holding skills.- The Anonymous User 01:39, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

@ TAU: Keep in mind that this is a reimagining, which means (among other things) a different elimination order, so Courntey's status as a 2nd-quarter casualty in the original wouldn't necessarily be significant.

@ Shane: I'm not sure where you get the "year of waiting", unless you weren't aware that I started posting my Courtney story a few weeks ago. That cuts the year into two more or less equal parts. (Granted, CatVoD has neither the scope of LTDI nor the emotional power of Legacy, but still...) Also, while TDI-G&amp;S is rather a different animal, it nevertheless showcases certain elements of my writing, most notably my sense of humor (as Sprink has noted elsewhere). There's also a chance that I may have a one-shot or two, or perhaps another Fake Souls chapter, between now and the official launch of LTDI.

@ all: In addition to the standard Winner Guessing and/or Final Three Guessing, I will also have Storyteller Guessing. (Probably by poll, unless I can think of a prize.) I don't think it's revealing too much to say that the storyteller's identity will not be explicity revealed until near the end, but there will be certain clues throughout the story, mainly in the way certain contestants are depicted. The beauty of this--not the main reason I'm doing it, but a nice bonus--is that, if I should happen to slip and make a character a little too out of character or a little too Mary Sue-ish, it can be ascribed to the storyteller's biases and/or imperfect memory.

I will also have guessing on one other matter alluded to in the Prologue. (Hint: do the math.) Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 03:43, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me it's Courtney or Izzy, I just get that feeling. Christin McClean actually hosting? So this means your story is in the Sunshineverse?! That is so cool. I really can't comment on the story, since it really hasn't started yet.<font color="Lime">I love you when you dance <font color="Black">when you're freestyling trance  <font color="RedOrange">So pure such an expression  14:39, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I had planned almost from the beginning to mention Christin by name in the Prologue, because she ties in to the "Legend Of" part, and I have recently been thinking that she may actually appear in one scene. (I did change the spelling of her surname to match the most widely accepted spelling.) I chose Christin, instead of some relative of my own invention, because--well, really for no other reason than to please a friend. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 16:29, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Aw...the story won't start until, like, April of 2011? :( Dark clouds all  around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  03:28, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

If then. My Featured User interview, scheduled to appear in the September newsletter, will have more details. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:06, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Prologue = epic win, Gideon. I seriously cannot wait for the rest of this story, and not just 'cause my character got mentioned. XD It seriously looks absolutely amazing, even just from the prologue. I seemed to get a Gwen-ish vibe from the storyteller, but I wouldn't be surprised if you fooled us all and made the narrator someone completely unexpected. Now I just have to wait until the spring...

@TDIRM: Sunshineverse? I have a universe? o.o *grabs crown and scepter* *ALL HAIL MY UNIVERSE XD* (And now I await the many people giving me worried glances out of the corner of their eye, as per usual... XD) -- Sunshineandravioli- Legendary  Pixie!   RAVIOLI EVERYWHERE!  15:15, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

@Sunshine: All hail the Sun Queen! (There was a Sun King--Louis XIII of France--so why not a Sun Queen?) Yes, I know that was OT... Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 16:50, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Great prolouge, Gideon! I'm so excited for this to start, and I'm kinda really looking forward to that LAL parody you mentioned in your Featured User interview. xD -- <font color="#808080">I sing the song <font color="#c0c0c0">of the fading  <font color="#800080">silver star...  17:30, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

In order to add to the theory that this story was, intentionally or not, created for me, I'd like to mention a realization I had the other day: I suddenly recalled that, almost a year ago, I started planning out an eventual follow up to my (now on hiatus) competition story Total Drama Fame. This story, set several years afterwards, starred several original characters as well as offspring of original characters. The title of this fanfic was none other than "Total Drama: the Next Generation". I figured this little tidbit would amuse all of you. XD -- Sunshineandravioli- Legendary  Pixie!   RAVIOLI EVERYWHERE!  23:45, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Also, Sunshine, you may recall a tie-in I mentioned on a peripherally related blog discussion, a tie-in between one of LTDI's talent show acts and a way you have fun naming your Pokemon. (If you don't remember that, I wont repeat it here. No point in spoiling twice.) Anyway, if you feel a degree of "ownership" from all this--especially the things I'm doing intentionally--then so much the better. Not only will you enjoy the story more, but I will eventually be in the market for someone (or multiple someones) to illustrate it. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 20:18, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

OMG. I just read this the prologue and previews. THIS STORY IS SO INCREDIBLE!!!! Or the previews and prologue are. I CAN'T wait to read this. Are you going to post it all at once or a chapter at a time? Either way this story sounds incredible. I like all the poetry in. I love how you wrote everyone so unique. And I LOVED all the ROMANCE. I can't tell who is with Courtney though. Is it Duncan, DJ or Eziekel? I guess I'll have to wait. What is this rated? And will we find out who the mom is first or at the end. And how does the mom know everything thats going on? Not that I don't love nor not want the mom. The mom is a really cool part. Can't wait for more. Are you planning on giving a preview for st. patrick's day? Rhonda the stalker fan! 05:16, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

A little Q&A
In the comment immediately preceding this section, Rhonda asked several questions. Since she’s undoubtedly not the only one who would be interested to know, I will answer them in this section.

Are you going to post it all at once or a chapter at a time?
 * I’ll be posting one chapter at a time, because that tends to generate more feedback. When I’m ready for the official launch, I expect to post either every week or every two weeks, depending on how many chapters there are and how long they are. I will post Chapter one when it’s ready, rather than waiting for the official launch, because it will have little more than the character intros and will probably be the longest chapter in the whole story.

''I can't tell who is with Courtney though. Is it Duncan, DJ or Eziekel?''
 * At this stage, you’re not supposed to know. One of my criteria for selecting preview scenes is that they can’t have more than minor spoiler potential. I’ll let you in on a little secret, though: an early chapter actually mentions a fourth prospect for Courtney.


 * In the time that I’ve been working on LTDI, the story has gone in various directions that I didn’t necessarily intend, and Courtney’s popularity with the boys is one of these. This is partly because the LTDI Courtney retains the personality that her canon counterpart started with: bossy and driven, but friendly and generally well-meaning.

What is this rated?
 * LTDI is rated PG-13 for adult situations and mature subject matter. “Mature subject matter” is a fairly nebulous term, but “adult situations” usually means sexual content. “Adult situations”, though, is not to be confused with “explicit content”, which requres an R rating. The difference is in the level of detail.


 * For example, suppose a story calls for Duncan to have sex with Sunshine (a scenario I played with in one of the Valentine’s Day scenes). R-rated “explicit content” means that their encounter would be described in considerable detail, perhaps even a “play-by-play”. (Note, however, that if you have too much detail, or if its too graphic, it could go into the realm of pornography, which most fanfic sites don’t even allow.) Conversely, a PG-13 “adult situation” might describe something leading up to “the act” (e.g. the couple retiring to a private room) or after it (e.g. waking up in the same bed) without any mention of the “encounter” itself, or it might be stated that they had sex, with little or no detail given, or their fornication might be described in the sort of euphemistic terms common in romance novels. Note that, other things being equal, sex between 16-year-olds does NOT normally require a more restrictive rating than sex between 18-year-olds or even 21-year-olds.


 * One of the “mature subjects” LTDI deals with is teen pregnancy. Readers who did the math from the prologue learned that the Storyteller’s son is the right age to have been conceived either during the competition or shortly afterward. When LTDI launches, I plan to have four guessing games: winner guessing, Final Three guessing, Storyteller guessing, and paternity guessing.

Will we find out who the mom is first or at the end?
 * The Storyteller’s identity won’t be explicitly revealed until near the end, but I suspect that many—perhaps even most—readers will have it figured out well before then. There will be clues throughout the story, mainly in the way that certain campers are depicted.

How does the mom know everything that’s going on?
 * By talking to other ex-campers after arriving at the Playa de Losers and at the reunion, by watching the finished episodes, and by watching additional footage—especially confessionals—that the producers made available at the Playa de Losers to help the losers with their votes. There is also some educated guesswork on the Storyteller’s part for the sake of a more interesting story, and the Storyteller is undoubtedly embellishing certain details, especially in the story’s more cartoonish elements. (It’s called a "legend", after all. Besides, it's been 17 years.)

Are you planning on giving a preview for st. patrick's day?
 * No. Although I’ll make exceptions for special situations (e.g. posting romance and romance-related scenes on Valentines day, or posting the Courtney/Ezekiel scene on short notice because it was topical to events on the wiki) I have generally been posting previews on a two-month cycle. Since I previewed four scenes last month, and I don’t have anything that specifically fits St. Patty’s Day, the next preview will be around the end of April.


 * Sometime between now and then, I may do something special for my 3,000th edit. Perhaps the LTDI tropes listing (from the TV Tropes website) that I mentioned previously. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 03:04, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Preview Announcements
My fans have spoken and, over a single dissenting vote, you have called for additional previews on my blog page whilst you wait for the official launch. The next preview is scheduled for Saturday, 30 October, and will be part of my Halloween-themed 2,000th Edit Special. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:15, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

For the sake of completeness, here's a link to the first preview, a scene from the talent show, which I posted two months before I created the story page.

The second set of previews is up. My Halloween Special blog post includes two LTDI scenes fitting the Halloween theme. These are Gwen's arrival (because her Gothic aesthetic fits the occasion) and a scene from the phobia challenge. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:55, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

The third preview is posted. This preview features a scene that fits the "renewal" theme of New Year's Day, and also relates to an impending event in my own life. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:22, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

I have posted an unscheduled preview. I had not intended to preview this particular scene, because it has a couple of minor spoilers, but I decided that its ripped-from-the-wiki-headlines topicality made up for that. Don't worry, though, LTDI fans, you'll still get the "hot 'n' steamy" Valentine's Day preview I promised you. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 14:15, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

The Valentine's Day preview is now posted. This preview includes a couple of polls, so please vote. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:58, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

The sixth preview is now posted. This time, it's two short scenes, the first of which gives a look at the mother-and-son framing story. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:40, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

For those of you who are fans of the TV Tropes website, I have worked up a listing of tropes appearing in LTDI, as part of my 3,000th Edit special. Based on what I've written so far, and on the notes I've sketched out, I have identified an even 200 tropes in LTDI. There are undoubtedly more that I haven't identified yet, or that will appear as I write additional scenes. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:11, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

I have posted a holiday preview marking the anniversary (more or less) of the day that I announced this project to the wiki. This preview illustrates how I am making my story Darker and Edgier than the original by (among other methods) playing for drama certain incidents that the original played for laughs. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 23:41, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Prologue/Prelaunch Discussion, part 2
Thanks for answering my questions! Rhonda the stalker fan! 08:44, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Please tell me that the chapters will be posted, soon. I'm really digging this! :D I also loved that recent preview blog featuring the Heather/LeShawna conflict. ♪I wish that I could have this moment 4 life♫ ♪Whenever you call, baby I&#39;ll roll up♫ ♪After a hurricane comes a rainbow♫ 23:24, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Wow... Never thought I'd see the day where LTDI actually started! XD Judging from previews, I'll be rooting for Sadie. She's one of my favorite characters and VERY underused. Can't wait! -- Spotted at the hottest shows, interview on Charlie Rose,  they all want a piece of you!  03:15, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

It's starting in a few weeks! :D I can't say I've waited as long as some others, but I'm excited. Since I'm such a slow reader, it would probably take me like an hour to read each chapter, but whatever. XD SG has a habit   of changing his siggy   once a month.  04:51, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I hear you, SG. I've always been a very slow reader, too. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:59, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

First Night Polls
Oh, dear, what has the poor girl so affrighted? Something obviously harmless (like the canon cockroach) Something that looks dangerous, but isn't Something genuinely dangerous

What did you think of the First Night? (and don’t tell me it’s too long, because I already know that and it couldn’t be helped) Over 5: It was like a religious experience 5: Incredible 4: Great 3: Mixed bag 2: Disappointing 1: Awful 0: QOS writes better than this

First Night Discussion
Well...What can I say. I really, really enjoyed the first posting. I don't really know how to describe my feelings, but it feels like how it seemed when I first started watching Total Drama Island. It is a feeling of wonderful, new...a "what is this?" kind of feeling. I can't wait for the next posting. Great job, Gideon. <font color="Blue">TDIwriter <font color="Black">Ruining everyone's fun since 2009! 23:59, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Now that you mention it, that was the sort of reaction I was hoping for when I decided to write the intros as if the reader had never heard of TDI. The high word count was the price I paid for that, but I'm gratified that it seems to have worked out well. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 21:06, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Wow. This was amazing. There's so much I wanna talk about, but there's too much. It would take me an hour to say the amazing things in this story. It's like Total Drama Island reimagining, but in a much deeper and nostalgic way. It's like the regular Total Drama, but with much deeper insight on the contestants. Noah is much more than just the average sarcastic bookworm. He's a charmer with his intellect. I'm not usually the best reader, but I couldn't stop reading this (Okay, I skipped over a couple very detailed paragraphs :P). I'm especially excited to see Gwen in this story. The insight focused on her arrival was amazing, and made me look at the canon Gwen in a whole different way. I'm guessing the elimination order will be different, although I don't know if you've revealed that, but I'm excited to see what happened. Well done, Gideon.-- Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last,  that's why I'll treat you like trash." 00:07, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * A word to the wise, Radi: depending on which "very detailed" paragraphs you skipped over, it's possible that you may have missed a joke and/or a bit of foreshadowing. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:17, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oh crap was my first thing I thought when I saw the chapter knowing that it was this long but I think it's worth it. I loved the way you explained things and I'm hoping the eliminations won't be the same as Total Drama Island. I kind of find it as boring because some of my favorite characters didn't get their chance to shine. --<font color="#00008B">HINT:A AWESOME USER, <font color="#D2691E">that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, <font color="#00FFFF">what's with Cyan? 00:55, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * The elimination order is different from the original. As I've said elsewhere, how well I liked a given character in the original actually has little bearing on how far that character will get in LTDI. Some of my favorites do well, some don't. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:58, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * WOO, now I'm ecstatic as Sadie and Bridgette have a better chance to shine. I just hate the way Bridgette was portrayed in the last two seasons. :D --<font color="#00008B">HINT:A AWESOME USER, <font color="#D2691E">that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, <font color="#00FFFF">what's with Cyan? 01:02, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

OH MY GIDEON THAT WAS AWESOME! Sorry to go all caps but I loved that. TDIwriter said it well when he said it was like when seeing Total Drama Island the first time. You portrayed them so well. It was funny and extremely witty. You've given it a lot of depth. I'm still taking in what I just read. I can't decide who I like best! You answered a lot of the questions Total Drama Island left (like how the boat brings one contestant at a time). I really liked Izzy. She was super funny and I really loved the Sunshine joke. I think you gave everyone a good amount of screentime and didn't feel like anyone was too minor. I'm so excited for the next chapter! Oh, come on. I bought KFC. It pretends to be southern, you pretend to be southern. Don't go there!  01:05, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * As I've said elsewhere, Rhonda, I'm trying to make LTDI more of an ensemble story than the original was. (My readers will be the judges of how successful I am at this.) I obviously can't give everyone equal prominence and keep it remotely believable, but I'm trying to give even the backgrounders and secondary characters moments to shine. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:22, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well I thought you did a good job. And Kgman reminded me of something I thought was interesting. The screaming team had the red background and the killer team had the green. XD I found that interesting. Oh, come on. I bought KFC. It pretends to be southern, you pretend to be southern.  Don't go there!  02:09, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

This brought back so many memories from the first time I watched an episode of TDI. It's amazing. As long as this chapter was, I didn't want it to end. Everyone was explained in so much detail, and I just really enjoyed it. Also, "The team names have been changed because the author never liked the name, “Killer Bass” and didn’t want to change one team name without changing the other." - I thought I was the only one who hated that name, hehe. Can't wait for more! <font color="#600000">~ Kgman04! ♪ <font color="#A00000">Talk! ♫ <font color="#600000">Contribs! 01:24, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Really good chapter. Like everybody above said, it brought back some memories about the first time I've watched TDI. I loved how everyone had a good amount of screentime. Specially Katie and Sadie, whose doesn't had any development in the canon series, had a pretty good amount of time to shine in this. It's long, but worth of it. I'm really excited to see the next chapter. :D Bruno!   Talk!   Editcount!  02:51, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Oh gosh, Gideon, it was sensational. I enjoyed every line of it, and I didn't even notice how long it was. It's hard to pick out little bits to talk about because there's so much, but I have to say, the whole thing was spectacular. I was surprised about how racy it was at certain parts ("Duncan's reply to get bent, Cody's thoughts about Katie and Sadie), but I appreciated the realism that those parts gave to the characters. Teenagers can be pretty crude, after all. So, yeah. It was so worth the wait. I'm thrilled to read what happens next. -<font color="Orange">Lalainee <font color="Pink">SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE HERE 03:19, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * The racy bits are part of the reason for the PG-13 rating. That rating gives me a lot of flexibility whilst still keeping it reasonably kid-friendly; and because most of my writing is at a 9th or 10th grade reading level (according to the Flesch-Kincaid scoring) it's a natural fit. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 03:42, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

So........... EPIC! I LOVE the detail! As with above, I didn't notice how long it was XD <font color="SpringGreen">Tdi <font color="Silver">Heavy Metal Lover - Lady Gaga<font color="Red">California King Bed - Rihanna 05:38, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

... wow. This was amazing. I loved how descriptive it was, even though it did make the chapter so long it almost scared me off. I loved the "get bent" bit and Cody's thoughts of Katie and Sadie, as not only were they humourous but that also added a bit of realisim to it. I laughed a lot throughout the story at the surprisingly high (due to your writing style, I expected this to be more of a serious story) amounts of comedy, and I thrououghly enjoyed the dialouge between contestants. I... I don't think I can wait six weeks for the next chapter, Gideon. Mrdaimion:  Like you,   only better.  11:29, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Some of the later chapters will have a much more serious tone, but this happened to be one of the lighter chapters, befitting the fact that the campers don't yet know what they're in for. On the whole, I would describe LTDI as a drama with a lot of comic relief and a bittersweet ending.


 * As for the dialogue, that was one of the things that originally held me back from trying my hand at a competition story, and one reason why most of my early stories have little dialogue: when I joined this wiki, most of my knowledge of Teenspeak came from TD and 6Teen, so I didn't really feel comfortable writing dialogue for teenaged characters. Now that I've been on the wiki for over a year, I'm more comfortable in my ability to write realistic Teenspeak dialogue. A future chapter will probably have a poll for readers to tell me how well they think I'm doing with it. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 21:25, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty good first chapter. I love how you gave everyone equal screen-time, and the desripstions were so intresting, I didn't mind how long it was. The only part I didn't like is Noah's "speech" about the gods. That was cringe-inducing. And, I noticed that you called Sadie "fair" when i'm pretty sure she's supossed to be asian. Other than my nitpicking, excellent start!TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 18:28, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Basically, Noah was showing off with his theatrical, over the top flattery. As for Sadie, "fair" in this context simply means "of light color", and only Gwen has a lighter skin tone than Sadie. I've heard that Sadie is supposed to be Chinese, but not from any reputable source. It certainly wasn't mentioned in the episodes, and she has no identifiably Asian features. To believe that Sadie is Asian, you pretty much have to take someone's word for it. In any case, a reimagining isn't bound by any of that, witness the fact that my version of Owen is about a third bigger than the canon version. Likewise, the LTDI Courtney is explicitly tanned, whereas the canon Courtney is allegedly Hispanic. ("Allegedly" because that wasn't established in the episodes, either.) Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 21:51, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Great chapter, Gid! <3 I loved the intros, especially Gwen, Tyler, and Izzy's. I'm glad that it looks like the ever-popular GwenxTrent ship will be sailing again in this reimagining. I also loved Katie and Sadie, and am interested to see how they get on the same team. Speaking of witch, I'm pretty sure Sadie and Beth switch teams. The reason being one preview, if memory serves, had Duncan and Beth on the same team. Can't wait for more LTDI! Wonder whose gonna get the boot first. -- Spotted at the hottest shows, interview on Charlie Rose,  they all want a piece of you!  18:36, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Very good, Reddy. I think I know which preview you're alluding to, and the very first preview had Beth teaming up with Izzy for one of the Muskies' talent show acts. It's not giving away anything important to verify that Sadie does indeed switch with Beth, instead of the Katie-Izzy switch in the original. The chapter where this happens will include a trivia note explaining my reasoning. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 22:00, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Just a quick question; on the poll, it says for 0 "QOS writes better than this". Who is QOS? Sorry if I sound ignorant.TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 00:34, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * QOS, short for QueenOrangeSoda, was the wiki's most notorious problem user. She was before your time, so I'm not surprised that you're not familiar with her. She doesn't actually write all that poorly, if you can get past her fondness for posting porn, but the "0" option was a joke and I needed a recognizeable, much-maligned name to make the joke work--and (fortunately) this wiki doesn't provide a lot of options. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:52, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa. This was...whoa. I knew this was going to be amazing, but I didn't know it was going to be so long and yet so good you just read on and on. It reminds me of the pilot of TDI--but if it was an hour-long premiere, and about ten times more theatrical and in-depth. I especially love the way you made Chris more of an actual character, with his anger at Sadie, as well as the footnote-type things of what should be edited in post-production. Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  01:18, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

One thing bugs me. How did the storyteller know about everyone's thoughts? Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  00:13, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * See the Q&A section above. (It has its own heading in the Table of Contents.) Rhonda asked that question, among others, during the prelaunch period. The short version is that the (italicized) unspoken thoughts were actually voiced in confessional spots. For the most part, LTDI won't have the sort of plainly identified confessional spots that most competition stories do. Instead, those thoughts will be incorporated into the narrative. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:03, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Gideon, you have truly blown my mind. The amount of detail that you put into this was incredible. I couldn't get over how well described everyone was and how rich you made it. I could honestly see it playing out in front of me. It was that well describle. Also I completely loved the Heather/Duncan scene since I am a huge supporter (or shipper, if you like that one) of them. You're just making the original show that we love and you're making it a million times better. Now I hope that we'll be seeing new drama and new pairings, not just a complete re-telling. But I can say you definitely won me over. GossipQueen 00:43, September 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Worry not, GQ, you'll defintely see new pairings and shippings. (Recall Justin and Lindsay's "love at first sight" moment.) You'll also see a "will they or won't they" pairing that I've been told has never been done before. (Color me skeptical on that, though--I'd have thought that every possible heterosexual pairing would have been done by now.) As for new drama, it's already been noted in these comments that Sadie will switch teams instead of Katie--a minor change with major and far-reaching repercussions. So, no, LTDI isn't just a complete retelling. Besides, I've already done a Gideon-flavored retelling of the canon TDI story arc. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:39, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

This is absolutley brilliant! By the way, your sayings for Courtney, "That Napolian was short too.", and "The Diminutive Dynamo," just made my day. I will be sure to use those for my own social gain. The wording is so brilliant in this story, and your developed descriptions of the characters makes it feel like I am watching the series for the first time! Amazing work, and I can't wait to figure out who the narrator is! I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. 01:23, September 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I take it you're short, too? As for the "diminutive dynamo" moniker, I needed something distinctive to call Courtney before she reveals her iconic CIT experience--without which she wouldn't be Courtney--and the alliteration doesn't hurt. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:19, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious about the other stories for other times. Noah, and Lindsay were funny. I apoligize for my short comment. <font color="LimeGreen"> Don't  hug me <font color="LimeGreen"> I'm scared


 * The phrase, "but that is another story for another time" means that it becomes a plot point in a later chapter. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 17:04, October 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know that. What I meant was there were so many I was wondering what the stories were. <font color="LimeGreen"> Don't  hug me <font color="LimeGreen"> I'm scared


 * Sorry, Fan, no spoilers. You'll find out in the fullness of time. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 21:57, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Second Night will be up soon, right? -- Guilty as charged  I've been convicted and tried   Was it too much to ask for you to take my side?  23:33, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Second Night Polls
Oh, dear, is this the end of Harold? ‘Fraid so. Rest in pieces, Harold. Of course not. If they didn’t have brushes with death, it wouldn’t be Total Drama.

Who was winning the “alliter-off” alliteration duel when Chris cut it short? Noah Izzy Tie Do I look like I would like even a little alliteration, let alone a lot?

Second Night Discussion
This chapter turned out to be significantly longer than I was expecting. I thought it would be around 7500-8000 words, but it turned out to be almost 11,000—almost as long as the First Night. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:08, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm so glad this is up. (Yes, I've been told I am an extremely fast reader) The alliter-off is pretty epic. I'm still intrigued as to Brett's mother's identity. I hope it's not the end of Harold. Oh, and I also loved the lamprey picture you put in there, those things freak me out. XD Noah and Izzy were my favorites this episode. Can't wait for more! <font color="Red">Toadgamer80 <font color="Orange">The jester of Tortuga. 00:11, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow, Toad, you didn't even give me a chance to put up the trivia. Anyway, glad you liked it. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:25, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I was so excited to see you put up a new chapter! I really liked it. I'm not sure what I liked best though. It was just that good! I do like that you included the music and I really enjoyed the pieces. I have to say Harold taking out the stag was unexpected but good development. I also liked how Eva got a far amount of attention which is more than the show can ever say. I really liked how you got a lot of the teen speech down (I think Geoff was one person I remember sounding like a modern teen). I also really liked Lindsay and all of her dumb moments. It was exactly as I expected Lindsay to be. I honestly didn't realize that Izzy and Noah's fight was an alliter-off until I came to the talk page even after reading the trivia. It wasn't that it wasn't clear in the story, I just couldn't pick up on it. I really found Noah funny and I loved Izzy's crazy moments especially when she was wrestling the shark. I'm really excited for the next part and I can't wait to find out what happened to Harold. I'm pretty sure he survived but I know something more will happen. I have no clue who the mother and I can't wait to find out who she is!  Your heart, your heart abandoned. Your wrong now bear the shame. Like dead trees in cold December nothing but ashes remain. Oh Ember, so warm and tender, you will remember my name! 03:16, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Izzy was actually riding the shark like a rodeo bull, this particular shark being large enough that a wrestling match would have gone badly for our favorite psycho hosebeast (well, maybe second-favorite after Julie). Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:37, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I was expecting the first elimination but nevertheless, without the elimination, it still made a great chapter. I'm really excited to see who goes first because I think everybody is DYING to know who's the storyteller. -- If your undies are tight, <font color="#D2691E">it's uncomfortable.   If you're a boy and your bra is tight, I'm uncomfortable  03:38, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just imagine how long the chapter would have been if it had covered the entire challenge plus the elimination. The Third Night will include the first elimination ceremony. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:27, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

I loved the Second Night chapter. So, I like that Eva gets more attention, as she didn't had in the Canon series. My favorites in this chapter were Izzy, Noah and Lindsay.Well, I don't have a clue about who is storyteller. I think it's someone who did something very very bad. So, I still believe Harold will not die, but I'm feeling that something bad will happen with him. Well, I can't wait to see who will be the first eliminated. My name  is   Bruno!  05:25, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Izzy is my favorite. With the nights does it mean the challenge days or the nights Brents mom is telling the story. For some reason I have a feeling that the mother is an intern or something. <font color="LimeGreen"> Fan  has figured out me <font color="LimeGreen"> the sig date and time thing!  12:33, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * The "Night" headings ("First Night", "Second Night", etc.) are the nights that Brett's mom is telling the story. The episodes have their own headings, in the form "The Tale of X", e.g. "The Tale of the Gathering" (episode 1) and "The Tale of the First Challenge" (episode 2). The Prologue revealed that the mother was a contestant when she said, "I did pretty well, but I didn't win." Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:46, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

No, Brett's mom is one of the female contestants that goes far (I guess Final 10) but doesn't win. --12:39, October 30, 2011 (UTC) (Reddy)

This was a really great chapter, Gid! I actually read it last night, but it was late and I was a little too tired to comment. I loved the alliter-off. It was very Dr. Seuss-like. I enjoyed Eva in general this chapter, especially her whole interaction with Leshawna. What I liked about that scene was that it was almost like a director's cut of the original scene or a deleted scene. It was pretty cool. Lindsay is delightfully dimwitted, as usual, and I liked Geoff a lot too. The part where he talked about all the female members of his team was funny to me because it seemed like such typical teenage guy dialogue. That's about all I've got, for now. I can't wait to read the next chapter, to see who wins the challenge and who gets eliminated. -<font color="Flamingo pink">Lalainee <font color="Pink">Signatures are so mainstream.21:21, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Boys being boys" was exactly what I was going for in the Geoff/Harold "sizing up the chicks" scene, so it's good to hear that I pulled it off. This scene was part of how the Storyteller's insider perspective reveals the campers behaving more like normal people than the finished episodes suggested. (For the record, the finished episodes mentioned in this reimagining don't show the campers behaving any more multidimensionally than the canon episodes did.) As for Eva/LeShawna, "deleted scene" is probably the more apt description, as the implication was that Eva is (at least to a degree) a victim of manipulative editing. Both scenes also serve the purpose of laying the groundwork for possible friendships down the road. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:37, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Third Night Polls
Who do you think will be voted off? Beth Tyler

Who do you think SHOULD be going home? Beth Tyler Someone else Nobody, because the Muskies are already a player down

What did you think of the cliffhanger placement? It was great. It took the “dramatic pause” to its logical extreme Meh. You had to put a cliffhanger somewhere. You are evil! Evil, I say! EEEEEEEEEE-VILLLLLLLLLL!

Third Night Discussion
Wow... This remaining certainly wasn't kind to Harold, now was it? O_O I loved the chapter, nonetheless! :D Heather is my gave, and I'm sure Beth is the mother-- She'd be the only one to know about her conversation with Alejandro. Based on that and previews, I've come to the conclusion that Tyler is going home.

Great chapter! Need any help setting up the elimination chart? -- I wanted to change my signature.  Okay?!  06:03, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I might ask your help on that, Reddy, although I'll probably study the source code of other tables and try my own hand at it first. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:30, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

I must say, these chapters are definitely worth the wait in between them. While I am not a Harold fan by any stretch of the imagination, his fate at the sharks' figurative "hands" was a certain shock. To be honest, I am surprised that they even had an elimination in this chapter, seeing as Harold already "left" the competition by other means. Also, I did NOT expect Katie and Sadie to be as forceful as they were in this chapter, what with their extreme tickle torture and all. I may have some respect for those two hive-minded balls of saccharine irritation after all.

As far as the Beth and Alejandro thing, while it does lend itself as a hint to the narrator's identity, I still am not sold that she is Beth, as the scene may just be a "red herring", and the true narrator found out through other means. After all, there is not one omnipresent character in the story, as Beth was not present for many of the other dialogues that have happened in the story. My money is still on LeShawna as the narrator, but I can't remember why I thought that for the life of me. I would have to re-read the First Night to figure it out, I suppose.- The Anonymous User 06:57, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * The Beth/Alejandro scene could be a clue to the Storyteller's identity (i.e. hinting at the possibility of a forbidden love down the road), or it could be a red herring as you and Lal suggested, or it could simply be a character development scene, with Al in the role of Mr. Exposition. As for your belief that LeShawna is the Storyteller, but not remembering why you think that, I can think of a couple of things that might have led you to that conclusion: When she arrived, it was noted and shown that LeShawna has an eye for the boys (this was also referenced in her clifftop quarrel with Heather); and in her scene with Eva after the first meal, there was a line suggesting that LeShawna might be sexually active (the logical alternative being that she just talks a good game), and I don't think it's revealing too much to say that Brett didn't come from an immaculate conception. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:30, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

I just wanna know who goes!! Beth seems like she could be a potential breakout character so I hope she stays. I loved the chapter though. I could actually see Sadie and Katie beating Chris up. XD -- If your undies are tight, <font color="#D2691E">it's uncomfortable.   If you're a boy and your bra is tight, I'm uncomfortable  17:29, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

GIDEON! I COULD KILL YOU! XD I know every chapter is supposed to end with a cliffhanger, but... ARGH! If I was Brett, I'd be furious at my mom for ending the story like that. Other than that, I loved this chapter! Katie and Sadie's epic assault on Chris was awesome and unexpected. I loved that they were unwilling to budge even after Chris threatened to have them kicked off the show. I love the two of them even more now. I also thought the whole situation with Katie and Sadie being on their periods was both really funny and really gross. XD I appreciated it, though, because that's another thing that doesn't usually get brought up in a lot of these fanfics even though it's obviously an issue that teenagers talk about. I guess no one wants to go there? That's what I love about this story, Gid. You go there. Not everyone is good at writing 'ghetto' dialogue or slang, but I think you're doing an awesome job with Leshawna! I especially liked her use of the word frontin', which I personally love to use at times.

I'm with my bud TAU on the whole 'red herring' Beth-Alejandro scene. She could have easily told someone else about what happened, so I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about who the storyteller is. That's not that important to me right now, though.

Eva was great in this chapter. I loved her trilobite line, and her conflicts with Duncan and Ezekiel. She's becoming one of my favorites already. I also loved that you sampled The Female of the Species when she was choking Ezekiel (I think that's when it popped up), as that's actually one of my favorite poems. I chose to read it for a competition in one of my English classes last year where whoever read their poem most dramatically or effectively would win extra credit, and I won. The girls in my class liked it a lot, as you might imagine.

Harold's fate was pretty unfortunate, to say the least. I didn't think he'd actually end up dead. They really shouldn't have to vote someone off, but that's Chris for you. Lindsay had a few good moments this chapter. I loved that she agreed with Heather's sentiment that ugly clothes and ugly hair make for an ugly inside. It reminded me of the TV show Daria, a little. Duncan was particularly heinous this time around. I was hoping he'd go home, but I knew he wouldn't be based on previews. His comment to Eva was the clincher for me, but I guess that's because I really like Eva right now. The last thing I want to comment on is that I loved Noah's twist to the "Hell hath no fury" line, as well as basically everything else Noah has said. I'm really enjoying his wit and the conflict between him and Chris. I can't recall a time where I've written a comment this long on anything, so I guess you should feel special. Oh, and I read the trivia. I can imagine that Lil is skilled at tickle torture. That seems like something she'd be good at. XD Excellent job on Third Night, and I look forward to what's to come! -<font color="Orange">Lalainee <font color="Gold">Mirror in the sky, what is love? 18:04, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can assure you that there won't be another "final marshmallow" cliffhanger, because that's a surprise that only works once. Another thing I won't normally do is put in a large number of blank lines to indicate the dramatic pause. Indeed, the only reason I did it this time is to set up the cliffhanger. The reason I put the cliffhanger where I did is because, in the original episode, Chris took a full 40 seconds to award the final marshmallow in the first ceremony. My version is similar, so Chris still has some camera mugging to do.


 * There will probably be at least one other cliffhanger in the middle of a ceremony, but not at the last marshmallow, and there will be unusual circumstances involved. Most elimination ceremonies will be somewhere in the middle of the chapters that have them. Actually, you should be thankful that I got as far as the elimination ceremony. This chapter turned out to be so long--over 12,000 words--that I considered splitting it. The main reason I didn't was because the subheadings break up the chapter well enough, and I figured my readers had been waiting long enough for the first ceremony. (If I was posting biweekly instead of bimonthly, I would almost certainly have split the chapter, perhaps in the "Zeke puts his foot in it" scene.)


 * Considering how my prelaunch blog unaccountably brought the Sadie fans out of the woodwork, I suspected people would like my take on how she and Katie came to be on the same team. As for LeShawna's dialogue, I'm glad to hear that you think I'm doing a good job, but you give me too much credit. My knowledge of ghetto slang comes mainly from LeShawna's canon counterpart, so I've been trying to follow that model.


 * I'm sure you noticed that Lindsay didn't do much in this chapter, nor did Izzy. This was partly to give some others a chance to shine (Beth getting her first big scene, for example), but also because Lindsay and Izzy are essentially comic characters, and Third Night is one of the story's darkest chapters. As for Duncan, some people have remarked on the unfairness of Zeke getting kicked off first in TDI when Duncan was pretty sexist in his own right. I've made Duncan's sexism more explicit, and I think his conflict with Eva and his emerging friendship with Zeke are natural consequences of this, among other factors. In any case, Duncan is an excellent example of something I've said before, i.e. that how well I like a character's canon version--I despise the canon Duncan--has little bearing on how prominent the LTDI version will be.


 * Finally, I'm flattered to get your longest comment to date, so naturally I've given you a long response. Feedback is good, but detailed feedback is better. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  06:25, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

You should cross out Harold from the Winners Guessing Contest and Paternity since he's kind of dead. -- If your undies are tight, <font color="#D2691E">it's uncomfortable.   If you're a boy and your bra is tight, I'm uncomfortable  18:23, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I wasn't planning to strike out incorrect guesses, because that could spoil for late arrivals. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  06:25, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I've been reading these but not commenting, because I can just tell you. However, this time I'll comment here to say that your writing is incredible! Not only do I feel like I'm one of the camerapeople, but I feel as though I'm actually watching it happen. I love the bantering and the reasoning behind some of their actions. Sadie and Katie's tickle torture was phenomenal, and I'm also really glad that Eva and Ezekiel are getting more coverage than in the original, along with Katie and Sadie.

Duncan was actually nice to Zeke! Sort of. Courtney and the sharks, the "twins" having their period, Harold and the sharks, Beth and Alejandro, DJ explaining his fears--this is such a good read, I almost wish we could have read it right after the show was on, as sort of a "behind the scenes look" at the series! Again, awesome job writing this, and I can hardly wait for the next installment. --Wifey :) JustLittleOlMe Lil   Jay JLOM   Mrs. Gideon  02:41, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Harold isn't dead. My mind was in a haze through the chapter, as all I could think of was that Harold isn't dead and that everyone else in this story is a jackass. Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  05:35, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't really understand this comment. Why were you thinking that everyone is a jackass? Even if you were being facetious (which seems to me a distinct possibility) I still don't get it. As for Harold's status, do you have specific reasons (e.g. no blood/body, as Rhonda noted) for believing he's not dead, or do you just believe on general principles that I wouldn't do it?


 * It's more denial, really. I wasn't expecting it at all, and Harold's one of my favorite characters. On the jackasses note, everyone just seemed incredibly selfish during parts of the chapter (manipulating Beth). 108.15.100.206 02:32, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * You weren't the only one in denial. As the Storyteller noted, that's part of the reason, and perhaps the biggest part, why the Eagles were being so callous in manipulating Beth. It wasn't really until Beth defused an imminent beatdown with her armor-piercing question that the campers truly started to accept what had happened. As for not believing that Harold is really dead, I'll admit that I left a lot of room for skepticism on that point. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:37, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, My, Gideon, the new chapter made me love LTDI even more! It was just so fantastic! It was amazing. I love how you narrate the story, it's so powerful and charming. You could narrate a story about eating a sandwich and it would be awesome! I like how your narrative is strong and very intelligent and sophisticated but when the contestants talk like you would think they would sound. It makes such a great read. And I love how everyone has a nickname, makes it much less repetitive.

Is Harold really dead? It seems too shocking to believe, and with no blood or body it seems to hard to believe. It seems like a real trick. But if Harold is dead, it was definitely shocking. You said you wish you could nominate the first elimination of LTDI for most shocking elimination. Is this the one you meant, because I would vote for it.

Katie and Sadie's scene was purely awesome. You've given those two more character development and screen time then the actual show. Katie and Sadie are always counted out early in fanfictions and are really just fillers. The way their portrayed is great! I think Chris said it best, "all the early-out cannon fodder is turning out way different from what I expected." Eva was written really well too and I loved how major you've made her. Again, you've given Eva more character development and screen time then the actual show.

I feel bad for poor Beth. Being switched teams and picked on. I liked her discussion with Alejandro. I loved the Camp TV allusion and how Alejandro was talking about him being a Gary Stu. XD! I think the Alejandro and Beth was a red herring for the real mom. You said they heard all the stories from interviews so I suspect Alejandro was also interviewed.

LeShawna and Heather's duel was as, if not more, awesome than on the shows. LeShawna and Heather sound really believable. Katie and Sadie's period mishap was funny. I remember you mentioning LTDI had made mention to periods.

Zeke's sexism is going to be really interesting in the future, based on the previews. I really liked the poem about how the female is deadlier than the male. I really love all the allusions in the story, they're so clever. I liked the plans to open the crates and I liked how Heather used Gwen's mattress, can't wait to see what happens >:D.

I felt bad that the Muskies lost, but I'm glad they didn't steal the part. If the Muskies found a way to make the water hot, (like boiling it) who would have won? I found it humorous Eva got the first marshmallow because she wasn't at the first ceremony. I don't know if that was planned but I still like it. I'm pretty sure I know who is staying based on previews but I'm still nervous to see who goes. I prefer Beth staying since I think she has more reason.

I can't wait for more! When's the next chapter going to be? <font color="33FF33">Now you’ve got one hand. Look around, floating town. <font color="6600CC">Tell a baby to talk to the hand!  06:19, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * When the story gets to the "Brunch of Disgustingness" chapters (or, as I'm calling it, "The Tale of Disordered Eating") you'll get to see how I narrate the eating of a sandwich. As for the contrast between narrative style and dialogue style, you're not the first to comment on that, and I'm glad you like it. The narrative includes some flourishes of the sort that appear in The 1,001 Nights in addition to my distinctive style, but I thought it important for the sake of believability that the characters speak more or less like they did in the original.


 * I'm glad you liked the Katie/Sadie persuasion scene. I'm rather proud of it. As for Eva, I'm trying to make her a little more vulnerable than in the original, albeit still tough as nails and still with a hair-trigger temper. (I think it's more realistic this way, which is in keeping with the Storyteller's insider perspective.) And yes, Harold's "elimination" is what I was referring to when I said on that blog that LTDI's first elimination would have been a strong candidate for "most shocking elimination" if it were eligible. It was intended to shock the reader, and it apparently succeeded. That said, it's not in the story merely for shock value--it's important to certain storylines.


 * If the Muskies had found another way to heat the water, it wouldn't have helped them, because hot tubs are expected to be able to heat water without external assistance, and it's doubtful that the Muskies could have brought in externally heated water without Chris noticing. Now that you mention it, though, it might have made for a good bit of comic relief if they'd heated the water too much and Chris had gotten scalded testing it. As for Eva getting the first marshmallow when the actual episode skipped over her, you give me too much credit. It's a nice coincidence, but the real reason Eva got the first was because I like her and I was disappointed when she became such a minor character in the original. In fact, if the campers were real and I was one of them, Eva is probably the girl I would have developed a crush on (although I would probably have ended up with Beth, if anyone.) In any case, Eva was at the ceremony in the original, they just skipped over the bit where she got her marshmallow (just like with Noah's dive). Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:36, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

To much suspense Gideon. TO MUCH SUSPENSE!!!!!!!!!! Other than that I enjoyed the chapter, Lindsay, Katie, and Sadie are funny. And the characters I enjoy are Leshawna, Courtney, Ezekial, and Beth. And Alejandro. I'm a banana! 21:27, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Harold isn't dead. Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  21:54, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

This story basically just pulled me into reading everything! I absolutely love this story! I love it because of the suspense, the humor, the friendships and the shocking facts about the contestants. I really love this story. :) ★  <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:5px; border:4px ridge #aqua; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em aqua; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em purple; background-color:aqua">  ♥   Mikey    ☮    The star is the guide  ★  03:31, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

The story is getting better and better. First, I'm shocked with Harold's "death". I still thinking about so much possibilities about it. He may is really dead; he returning at the middle of the competition; or become a zombie á la TDWT's Ezekiel. xD I'm loving Katie & Sadie. They are way more developed than they were at the canon series. The "Katie and Sadie at period" part was hilarious. And I never thought they could be so mean. Tickling torture is the worst thing ever. I'm having another perspective of Ezekiel this time. I can stand him tis time, while I hatedI'm really liking Eva also, as we are seeing him more of her. The early, undeveloped character are getting more tridimensional personalities this story. Heather and Leshawna's fight was way better than the canon one. Can't wait to see what's Heather in planning. Noah is awesome. 'Nuff said I wanted to see the elimination. You are evil. >:D Jk So, I know who will probably go home, based on previews, but you may were lying in the previes for beign sneaky. My name  is   Bruno!  21:48, January 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I defintely wasn't lying in any of the previews, but I did say that their details were subject to change. This could happen if, for example, a storyline changes as I'm fleshing it out. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:28, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Fourth Night???? D: -- Laura Is  Evil  00:27, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Fourth Night Polls
Can Heather salvage the challenge for the Eagles? Yes, she’s one tough cookie No, but she’ll make them sweat No, she doesn’t have a chance.

Rate the Katie/Justin scene for steam heat 7. It actually aroused me 6. Muy caliente! 5. Nice ‘n’ steamy 4. Not especially steamy, but a nice character development scene 3. Meh 2. I didn’t like it much 1. Bor-ing! 0. I don’t care how well you write, KatiexJustin is an automatic turn-off

Third Night/Fourth Night is one of the most verse-heavy sections of the entire story. How are you liking the poetry? 5. I love it! 4. It adds color to the story 3. Meh. I can take it or leave it 2. I tend to skip over it 1. I read LTDI in spite of the poetry, not because of it

Fourth Night Discussion
I just finished reading and wanted to be the first to comment! It's about midnight where I am so I'm kinda tired and am going to give a more in depth comment when I'm more awake. I did just wanna go ahead say that I loved the fourth night! I felt a little silly to be duped by Beth's elimination, since I knew from a preview Beth was going to make it farther. But I still fell for her elimination. And I believed Bridgette's dream and had to reread it again just to check myself. I also love the tidbits from literature you add in as well. Sorry for the short comment but when I'm more rested I promise to give a more in depth comment. But I did LOVE the fourth night! Rhonda is the meanest, vilest, ugliest, stankiest, crankiest, won’t even say high to your momma, cheapest, creepiest, arrogant sea witch in all the seas! And I’m not very fond of her either. 05:00, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * If Harold had met with his accident later in the game, Chris might well have cancelled the ceremony, as several Third Night commenters suggested he should have; but because this was the very first elimination ceremony, Chris thought it necessary to go through with a sham ceremony to show the campers (and more to the point, the viewing audience) how the eliminations were going to work. The chance to put one over on the Muskies was a bonus, as far as Chris was concerned. Being basically lazy, Chris is likely to cancel the ceremony if anyone else happens to meet with an accident during a challenge, but you can never be certain of anything where Chris is concerned. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:27, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Wow. This is a good chapter--The Big Sleep has always been one of the challenges that fascinated me the most, and you described it greatly. I liked Courtney and Ezekiel's talk, for some reason. I feel like Brett's mom is exaggerating a bit with the account's dramatic dialogue and theatricality, as I have a feeling nobody except Ezekiel would really be willing to say God in any way other than clear profanity or habit ("Thank God," "Oh my God,", etc.), let alone be allowed to say it by the network, Chris especially. In addition, nice tease with Harold not living. I think I might be able to not deny his death now. Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  05:31, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know what the broadcast standards are in Canada, but I suspect that not all networks are as anal as CN. Whatever network airs the show in this reimagining probably doesn't object to Chris' use of religious terminology because he's clearly not preaching; and even if the network did object, the Storyteller's insider perspective reveals a lot of stuff that didn't make it into the finished episodes. (One such "deleted scene" will appear several times in coming chapters.) As for the religious reference in the inscription that Noah suggested for Harold's marker, Noah was showing off his literary knowledge rather than his religious beliefs (if any). Oh, and I can assure you that Brett's mother was not exaggerating the theatricality of the elimination ceremony. Chris is a professional actor, as per canon, and this isn't the only time I depict him as a Shatner/Blessed-scale ham.


 * That said, Brett's mother is unquestionably embellishing certain details. (It's called a "legend" for a reason.) She does this for various reasons, not least of which is to fill in gaps in her memory/knowledge, because nobody could realistically remember so much so accurately after so long, but that's dramatic license for you. Bridgette's dream is a good example. If anyone other than Bridgette is telling the story, then she'd be heavily embellishing the dream sequence because it includes certain details (the conversation with Lindsay, seeing the lynx) that Bridgette would probably not have seen fit to mention when describing her dream to her fellow campers or in the confessional. Even if Bridgette is the Storyteller, it's not in the nature of dreams to be remembered with that kind of clarity. In either case, describing the dream sequence so vividly serves to (a) illustrate why Bridgette felt that something paranormal might be at work when she found herself largely living her dream's events; (b) set up Brett (and, by extension, the reader) for the "it was all a dream" twist; and (c) provide character development for the "real" events.


 * It's funny that you should mention the phrase, "Oh my God" as an habitual exclamation. The campers will sometimes say things like "Oh my gosh" (or "Oh, gods" in Bridgette's case), with the stronger "Oh my God" reserved for cases that appear to have a real danger of imminent death. You will see this. More than once. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:42, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, now time for a long comment! I was really glad Beth stayed! I really like Beth, especially here so I was extremely glad she stayed. I didn't really think Tyler had a reason, story-wise, to stay but if he does I'm interested in seeing what it is. Brett asked a pretty good question and the mom gave a pretty good answer. I agree Beth was the most fame hungry of all twenty two contestants. I wonder if Brett is having second thoughts on joining, though I'm sure things have changed.

I like that they made a cross for Harold, it was very sweet. And I love how Izzy burnt in an inscription using a magnifying glass. I also like how you explained the mourning as, "...the campers were mourning Harold not so much because he had been Harold as because he had been one of their own." I don't why, but it really stuck out to me. I also liked how Lindsay still can't remember his name. It shouldn't be funny since this is Harold's (supposed) death but you know Lindsay would.

Bridgette's dream was really convincing. The most believable thing is that everyone in the dream is very accurately portrayed, which I find weird since Bridgette shouldn't know them that well. But I don't how well Bridgette knows everyone and the characters are based on stereotypes so she could have stereotyped them in her dream. In any case, I didn't question that while reading the story. Ezekiel following Bridgette is very believable since Ezekiel does have a crush on Bridgette in the canon.

I love all the romance going on! Lindsay and Justin are really cute though I'm pretty positive Heather will screw it up. I also like Trent and Gwen's romance. I'm hoping it won't end like it did in the canon. I'm glad they got rid of Cody during the run (no offense to Cody). I feel bad that Cody had to walk alone, but I can believe Courtney pushed her self that hard.

I will say that I didn't fall for the Deja Vu scene of Bridgette's dream. I really liked all the little paragraphs explaining what those that had finished had done. XD I have to say I love Izzy. Every line she is in just cracks a smile on my face. I also liked Duncan, DJ and Ezekiel playing five-finger fillet.

I love Eva and LeShawna's friendship and hope at the end of the story they might actually get to harm Chris. I also love Gwen's response to Heather (gosh, their is so much to compliment). I think lacing it with a mild sedative was a smart idea and makes a lot more sense. XD Again I love Izzy! I feel so bad she threw up.

Justin and Katie's scene was pretty steamy, though I like Lindsay and Justin better and I like that he only dates one girl at a time. Your portrayal of Justin might be my favorite. I also liked Ezekiel and Courtney's discussion. It did bring up a lot of good points, though I was rooting for Courtney of course. I love all the poetry you incorporate and think you should keep doing it.

I'm glad Heather decided to have Katie and Sadie join an alliance. I love these two, though I'm pretty sure Heather will discard them rather quickly, or before the merge, or at least one of them. I also can't wait to find out who Noah is crushing on. And Heather having to compete alone...way to leave on a cliffhanger!!!

I can't wait for more! I'm really loving it Gideon and I hate I have to wait till April but it will be worth the wait! Rhonda is the meanest, vilest, ugliest, stankiest, crankiest, won’t even say high to your momma, cheapest, creepiest, arrogant sea witch in all the seas! And I’m not very fond of her either. 03:43, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Bridgette had been in camp four days at the time of her dream, so she would have had time to get to know some people's major mannerisms reasonably well. If the feedback I've gotten is any indication, Bridgette's dream fooled a lot of people, which of course was the intent, although it was also a good opportunity to develop Bridgette's and Geoff's characters. The only real clue that something was amiss was Ezekiel's "ain't got nothin'" line, which isn't really consistent with how he speaks either in this story or in the canon (insofar as he speaks at all in the canon). Conversely, the deja vu scene wasn't really intended to fool readers so much as to make them wonder, as well as to further develop Geoff and Bridgette. Indeed, this episode is all about character development, just like its canon counterpart.


 * Eva and LeShawna aren't really friends at this point, although their relations are certainly cordial. They are, however, counterparts, with each being the physically strongest girl on her team. In this case, the reason Eva suggested teaming up with LeShawna was because she was angry and wanted to teach Chris a lesson, and had seen signs that LeShawna was having similar thoughts.


 * As for Lindsay misremembering Harold's name, just because it was a solemn and dignified occasion didn't mean that Lindsay was able to stop being Lindsay. Speaking of name butchery, did you notice that she got Justin's name right?


 * I previewed the Courtney/Ezekiel scene last year, and it remained pretty much the same. I did add a reference to the sedative that Chris put in the food to speed the challenge along, as that was an 11th-hour idea. As for the elimination twist, you're not the only one who's glad Beth got to stay. Somebody, I don't recall who, remarked earlier that she has the makings of a breakout character. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:05, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Like Rhonda, I thought Harold had been found alive. :o I got confused when the campers woke up and started that day all over again. xD And I also fell for Beth's elimination. I'm glad she gets to stick around longer. :) The poetry adds to the scenes, and makes for nice little breaks from the actual story. Definitely keep them in. And I really liked your ending to this night's story. X) Also, very nicely written Bean Byproduct scene. We both got tired of all the fart jokes in TDI, but this writing of it makes it likeable and funny. I liked your depiction of Harold in this episode, and now I miss him. ;( Also, your memorial of Harold was inspired! And I really liked that you let Eva place Harold's marker. That was beautiful and very team-building. And Chef's conversation with Chris about the memorial was perfect! :D Your characterizations are wonderful, and I'm ready for your next Night already!! :) JustLittleOlMe Lil   Jay JLOM   Lady Gideon  04:03, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

I honestly thought Harold was alive :o I'm glad no one got eliminated (well, other than Harold......) It's kinda sad :( Love the chapter! Bridgette's dream, then her de ja vu, Heather's alliance, Noah's secret crush, and most of all, the development you gave Ezekiel and a little of Courtney. <font color="SpringGreen">Tdi <font color="Silver">NYAN CAT FTW<font color="Red">Fan o Gaga 05:11, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * If I had split the chapter like I considered doing, then the shortened Fourth Night would have been pretty much Bridgette's chapter. Although she did have some good bits, she really didn't do all that much in the first three chapters, so it was nice to give her a big scene. I'm glad that I could likewise give Geoff and Justin (also backgrounders in chapters 1-3, albeit Justin more than Geoff) plenty of screentime, because I want to make LTDI more of an ensemble story than the original was. I have plans for Ezekiel as well, since he got so little character development in the canon that fanfic writers have a lot of room to run with him. (Of course, that doesn't stop some writers from eliminating him early just to be rid of him.) I don't think it's giving away too much to say that you'll see more of the budding city mouse/country mouse friendship between Ezekiel and Duncan. And yes, I realize that I was kind of hard on poor Harold, but such are the demands of drama. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:37, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I finished reading this a few days ago but I have to say I really liked it. I enjoyed the major plot development with Bridgette. I just really like where it's going. I was sad though when it ended because I wanted to see who would win. Is it wrong that I like the idea of Ezekiel X Courtney? XD -- If your undies are tight, <font color="#D2691E">it's uncomfortable.   If you're a boy and your bra is tight, I'm uncomfortable  03:08, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, you know how it is--I have to put a cliffhanger somewhere. If I'd shown you who won, you'd have been sad because I didn't show you who got eliminated. In any case, the whole point of a cliffhanger is to leave the audience wanting more. As for Zeke X Courtney, people have done stranger things than that in the TD fandom. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:13, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

(Note: the following comment originally appeared on my talk page. I'm responding here because it raises some points of general interest. --Gideon)

Sorry I never commented on Fourth Night! I loved it, but I didn't comment right after reading it and then ended up not commenting at all. I thought Duncan teaching them how to play five-finger fillet was really in-character for him and definitely not a great idea. That's definitely a camp game, though. I played that game a couple times when I used to go to camp, except we called it nerve instead. The Justin/Katie scene was kind of raunchy, wasn't it? XD Nothing blatantly sexual happened, but the scene was really sexually charged. I thought it was a really interesting and convincing portrayal of why Justin appeals to the female masses. I think it's sweet that Justin seems so genuinely committed to Lindsay, though. That relationship would certainly set up a logical reasoning as to why Heather randomly chose to eliminate Justin fourth in the canon TDI. I know you said the elimination order could be different than the canon, I don't think that necessarily means that there won't be any similarities. <font color="Orange">Layla <font color="Salmon">among other nicknames 02:54, March 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I prefer to call it "racy" myself, since it sounds a little classier, but whatever. I've noted with interest the wide range of responses in the poll for rating the hotness of the Justin/Katie scene. I suspect that the girls (the older girls, anyway) generally find the scene hotter than the boys do, because its eroticism is definitely geared to female sensibilities. Essentially, it's a romance novel scene in an unromantic situation, although I'm guessing that the pregnancy imagery at the end (what, you didn't actually think the "distended belly" mention was random, did you?) probably isn't a romance novel standard. That's as may be, it was mainly a character development scene for Justin, and I thought it worked pretty well considering that it was a last-minute addition. In addition to showing that Justin's power over girls extends beyond his looks, his scene with Katie shows him to be rather more principled than his canon counterpart. Whereas the canon Justin isn't above using his looks to manipulate people, the LTDI Justin has more of an "I must use my powers only for good" mindset. And I don't think it's giving away too much to say that Justin is, indeed, genuinely committed to Lindsay at this point, however shallow his reasons. (You may recall his First Night intro, where he thought that Lindsay might be "The One" because she was the first girl he'd ever seen whom he considers to be as gorgeous as he is.)


 * Duncan's knife game is called by various names, but I used "five-finger fillet" because it's the most descriptive. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  00:07, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I suddenly realized today that I'd never read part 2 of The Fourth Night! I'm glad I got it read and voted in the polls before your next post. :D <font color="mediumslateblue">JustLittleOlMe  Lil   Jay JLOM   Jay-Z   Lady Gideon  16:13, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

FIfth Night Polls
Did Owen deserve to be voted off? Yes No

If not Owen, then whom? Gwen Someone else

How did you like the Homerization of the dodgeball match? This is the sort of thing I read your stories for It’s unique, I’ll give it that Too many damned words!

Can the Muskies rally? Yes it’ll be just like in the original No, but they’ll make it interesting No, they’re toast

Fifth Night Discussion
I was the first to vote in the polls just so you know in case I don't make first comment.

I was very excited to see what happened and you didn't disappoint (not that I thought you would). Felt bad Courtney got out but she just couldn't handle it.

I liked how Sadie was thinking so strategically. Out of the two she is stated to think with her head, and you have shown that wonderfully. And I liked the Jen 6teen reference.

I was sad Heather didn't last, but factually it didn't make sense for her to. And Chris's information about teams not hanging together was a shocker to them, but not as much to me as we know Chris. Duncan's shakiness, was a bit of odd and hooked me into him but I'll get to that and the teams not allowed to interact in a bit.

Poor Owen. All he wanted was seconds and now you're on the chopping block. I did think Sadie's crush on Owen was rather cute. I did like Sadie's thinking of saving Owen, again showing her true brain power. She really did get the reward for best portrayal of a canon character and you just keep showing that.

I understand Heather's reasoning skills and hope her plan can help send home Justin, just because I love your portrayal of Heather. Though I do love Justin, he and Lindsay are adorable and I totally love them together.

I love how you had the final 2 be the bottom two. It was just great irony. In the end, I will miss Owen, which is something I never thought I could say. But he was portrayed greatly too. I did love how you panned the show and gave the background about the five nights a week and about Blaineley. Very clever.

I really like this alliance of four and hope they can succeed in voting someone off. Heather is still Heather and I remember that rule about borrowing things and I'm glad Heather at least gave a reason. I'm glad Courtney is keeping a close eye on Zeke as I think it's a good idea and I want him to change.

I love Lindsay reply to Noah, it definitely got a crack out of me. I liked the better explanation of the rules, and I have to say that I loved the way you wrote the dodgeball scene like an actual war. It was incredibly awesome!

I liked Eva's paying strategy, it was very humorous. Tyler was still really bad and I'm wondering if anyone is thinking of wanting he was actually eliminated than Beth who was spared. I like how Noah still didn't compete though I'm hoping that won't cause his elimination. And Chris' evil surprise was really great.

I liked Gwen's strategy for winning by scavenging, though I'm not surprised Izzy got her. I loved Katie and Sadie's domination but I really loved Bridgette's getting the neo Gemini twins (love the nickname) out. And Cody was really awesome to with way of his getting DJ out.

I love Courtney's leading skills and Duncan's smoking habit coming to light is shocking and interesting. And I loved the talk of sex, both sorta of talking about crack pairings but also bringing up the mom we all know about.

I loved Heather getting even with Noah too, enjoying how we understand Heather's feelings, making her snarky comment about sports being his forte even funnier. LeShawna and Eva's lines to each other were great and I really loved them talking about their pasts. And poor Lindsay, but I loved Justin unleashing his anger and winning. Those two are so cute!

Really great chapter Gideon, but I hate how I have to wait, though the wait is always worth it. Rhonda is the meanest, vilest, ugliest, stankiest, crankiest, won’t even say high to your momma, cheapest, creepiest, arrogant sea witch in all the seas! And I’m not very fond of her either. 05:42, April 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was kind of hard on Lindsay (and I’m not done with her yet), but Eva was overdue for a temper scene. I’m not totally heartless, though. After all, I did give Lindsay the distinction of scoring the match’s first kill in order to show that, while she’d have trouble outthinking a rock, she’s not totally useless like she was for the first half of the series.


 * As for the irony of the elimination and the Bottom Two, I think the real irony is that Owen’s being the show’s go-to character for bathroom humor was supposed to help make him a fan favorite in the series, but in my version it led directly to his early elimination. (Be honest—you weren’t surprised that I could make a fart joke dramatically important, were you?)


 * I did struggle for a time with the question of how to reveal to the other campers the fact that Owen had (possibly) blown the challenge for his team, because the only eyewitness to be explicitly mentioned was Heather, who wouldn’t be present at the lodge. Eventually, I hit on the idea of having Hatchet reveal it, since he had the night shift and so would have been the one to officially call Gwen and Trent out. One thing then led to another, because Hatchet probably doesn’t care enough about the outcome to air a camper’s dirty laundry without being prompted. He didn’t intend to rat out Owen, but he also didn’t care who might overhear.


 * This also played into the need for Owen to realize that he was at risk, because somebody needed to be a fifth vote against Gwen, and a nervous Owen seemed the most logical choice. (I had originally planned to reveal the vote totals in dialogue, instead of just in the notes, but oh well. While not explicitly stated in the scene, Chris did tell the campers that it was a 6-5 vote.)


 * As for Sadie, she may not be as preoccupied with strategy as Heather is, but she’s smart enough to take an opportunity that falls into her lap. She did genuinely want to please Heather and, as Katie pointed out, she had an ulterior motive into the bargain. In any case, the strategy scene showed that Katie and Sadie aren’t a hive mind all the time. (Just most of the time, as the dodgeball match illustrated.) Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:08, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Just caught up with the Fifth Night. I absolutely love how you're describing the dodgeball matches. You've managed to make me actually enjoy Sadie as a character. The LAL reference killed me. Justin avenging Lindsay was adorable, by the way. I'm loving every moment of this! <font color="#600000">~ Kgman04! ♪ <font color="#A00000">Talk! ♫ <font color="#600000">Contribs! 17:55, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm getting that a lot with Sadie, as you might imagine. Clearly, I made the right move in putting her up for consideration in the Wiki Awards. The canon Sadie was supposed to be reasonably smart, although we never really got to see that in the series. Well, you got to see it here.


 * As for Lindsay/Justin ("Lustin?" Well, that would reflect the general shallowness of their attraction), they also seem to have become popular, and that might result in their getting a little more screentime. The elimination order is set, and has been for almost a year, but if I get word that certain characters are becoming reader favorites, then those favorites might get a higher profile in the form of additional scenes. Fifth Night had some of this for both Sadie and "Lustin".


 * If you've ever read The Iliad (or The Odyssey, for that matter), you may have noticed that Homer spends a lot of time describing material things. For example, he doesn't just say that Teucer has a bow, he mentions that the bow is made of horn. He might also mention that a set of greaves (essentially shinguards) has buckles made of silver. In the dodgeball match, that tendency is the basis for tidbits such as the description of what the balls are made of, or of how Tyler acquired his tracksuit. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  00:08, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

The lyrical quality of the first part of the dodgeball match was mesmerizing! I LOVED it! And your characterizations of these kids is spot-on, imo! I can almost see them behaving that way. I just saw the Lindsay-Justin together-name above! xDDD How totally apropos!! It suits. They specifically deserve the Homer-esque style of writing you've given this chapter, and it really shone when Lyndsay was hit by that final ball, and Justin rage-fought to protect her. I'm also loving Duncan's inappropriate habits finally kicking him around for this show. Also, thank you for Courtney being civil towards Tyler, even though he couldn't throw well if his life depended on it! xDD Beautiful chapter!

I didn't think that the show's dodgeball episode could be improved upon, simply because it was my favorite episode of the entire series. With your lack of time and space constraints, however, you've done a remarkable job on it! Keep up the awesome work, Gid! ^_^ <font color="mediumslateblue">JustLittleOlMe  Lil   Jay JLOM   Jay-Z  Jay-cobb   Jayneneh  Lady Gideon  04:41, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sixth Night Polls
Is Trent doomed? Yes. Cody will give in to his jealousy No. Cody will stay strong Yes. Cody won’t help Heather, but she won’t need his help No. Cody will help Heather, but the plan will fail for another reason

How did you like Noah’s speech? 5. My head asplode! 4. You should write more poetry 3. It’s fitting for a bookworm 2. Hey, it got him into the challenge. 1. Stick to prose

Sixth Night Discussion
Sixth Night is significantly shorter than previous chapters, but is actually within my target range. Nights 1-5 were 10,000 - 12,000 words each, Sixth Night is around 7,000 words, and my target range is 5,000 - 8,000 words. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:04, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">I just finished a little bit ago, and I loved it!

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">I can't remember exactly, but I think this is the first mention of the mom's marital status, which seems to be that she is not married. Courtney was very in character, and I liked that she didn't want to give up leadership to Duncan, but that she is willing to do what must be down. Duncan's plan was pretty genius, and the details seemed pretty smart.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">I love Katie and Sadie in LTDI, and I loved their teamwork. I feel bad for Sadie, she tried to catch the ball and she gets a limp. I think you have captured what was stated about Sadie; out of the twins, she is the one who thinks with her head. This is kind of thrown out in a lot of cases in fanfictions, but you let it shine.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">I loved Chris' interferences, and how he is the Lord of Wawanakwa. After the ear kissing, I felt it was pretty funny Cody was the one to talk to Noah, but it makes sense. Again, Cody mentions Sadie has trying her hardest even though she can't do much. Another reason Sadie is so great here. “You’re not giving her enough credit.” That is so true of alot of fans of Total Drama. Is it wrong I want Sadie to win?

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">I was also glad to see Lindsay's gymnastics skills. Unlike the writers, you read the Total Drama bios. I was glad Cody and Noah were the ones to come up with the idea on how to defeat the strategy. And go Noah for wanting to do something!

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">I loved your poem, it flowed very nicely, and certainly seemed like a good speech before battle. My favorite part was;

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">"In times to come, when people talk about

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">This day and how we earned our fame and honor,

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Whether as gloried victors or as valiant

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Vanquished, we shall recall our deeds of yore."

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">I don't really know why, it just was. But overall it was very good. Courtney's speech wasn't as poetic, but I still liked it, especially when she says for Harold. Eva vs. Justin was a great conclusion, and I was afraid you would leave off there, and am glad you didn't.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Zeke cheering for Eva was awesome, and I'm glad he is starting to be more respectable. Hope that continues. In the end, I was in favor of Eva in the end, simply because I love Eva in LTDI, so I was very glad when she won.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">The cliffhanger was great! Will Cody work with Heather? It drives me crazy that we may not know. Though I do want you to play up the suspense because it is a great idea!

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Can't wait for more (though I have to). Again, great job with the poem and the characterization.  Aw, your simple innocence is one of the most attractive things about you! You're like a kitten! A kitten that doesn't speak Japanese!  04:01, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Wow! Rhonda said it all perfectly! :D I truly love all the beauty of the "Greek War Poetry" you've turned this into. It is quite lovely. Kudos!! ;)  Jay JLOM <font color="Fuchsia">Any good or kindness I can show to any human being, let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.-Author Unknown 05:44, July 1, 2012 (UTC)