Talk:The Legend of Total Drama Island

Guessing Games
Most of these guessing games are dual-format: the usual “put your name by your choice” to have you guess on the public record; and a poll so you can tell us what you really think. There are currently no prizes on offer, because I can’t think of anything, but that could always change.

Don’t try to read anything into the order of the choices—it’s just alphabetical.

Winner Guessing
Who will win? Beth Bridgette Cody Courtney D.J. Duncan Eva Ezekiel Geoff Gwen Harold Heather Izzy Justin Katie LeShawna Lindsay Noah Owen Sadie Trent Tyler

Mark your choice below if you want to have your guess on record, in case I can actually think of a prize. Don't forget to vote in the poll, as well (not necessarily for the same person):


 * Beth: I don't know.. she's good? Mr.  Fluffy  Pants  02:10, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bridgette: My second choice. Awesome Users &amp; Friends: LF, Josie, Zoomer, SG, OHF, Snow, &amp; Blaineley! 00:53, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cody: Mrdaimion:   Like you,   only better.  00:43, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Courtney: Oh, come on. I bought KFC. It pretends to be southern, you pretend to be southern.  Don't go there!  03:20, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * D.J.: Animal lover! :P JustLittleOlMe Lil   Jay JLOM   Mrs. Gideon  02:42, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Duncan: TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 00:48, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eva: Lalainee SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE HERE 02:05, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ezekiel:
 * Geoff:
 * Gwen:  Watch out,  He’s one of them.   Zap!    Way to go, Zoom.  17:58, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Harold:-- Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last,  that's why I'll treat you like trash." 00:53, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Heather: I don't think she's gonna win, but I wanna her to win. Bruno!   Talk!   Editcount!  03:30, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Izzy: SG has a habit   of changing his siggy   once a month.  01:17, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Justin: Sprinklemist hasn't changed his signature in a long time. 03:29, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Katie:-- Kenzen -  Talk  -  Edits  01:54, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * LeShawna: Goldenshane 02:42, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lindsay: I really wish   you could all   be California boys.  00:52, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Noah: --HINT:A AWESOME USER, that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, what's with Cyan? 01:57, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Owen:
 * Sadie: Reddude
 * Trent: ~ RPs & Writes!  ♪   Dakota    ♫  Talks & Edits!  17:54, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tyler: Koops

Final Three Guessing
This is the only guessing game without a poll option, because there are too many possibilities to put in a poll. Bonus points for getting them in order of finish, so here's another way to get your winner guess on record if your first choice in the Winner Guessing was taken. Record your guess below:

Cody, Trent, Sadie. Mrdaimion:  Like you,   only better.  00:42, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Izzy, Duncan, Ezekiel TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 00:48, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Harold, Lindsay, Ezekiel-- Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last,  that's why I'll treat you like trash." 00:54, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Bridgette, DJ, Gwen - This diaper is my virtue. My anus is the demon of doo-doo. 01:07, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sadie, Lindsay, and Noah. No one ever let's Bridgette, my favorite go far so I have lost faith, for now. --HINT:A AWESOME USER, that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, what's with Cyan? 01:58, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Gwen, Lindsay, and Cody. :D If you have found this, you are a stealth ninja. Where'd my signature go? 01:08, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Gwen, DJ, Heather <font color="SpringGreen">Tdi <font color="Silver">Heavy Metal Lover - Lady Gaga<font color="Red">California King Bed - Rihanna 02:04, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Cody, LaShawna, Noah JustLittleOlMe Lil   Jay JLOM   Mrs. Gideon  01:33, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

DJ, Heather, LeShawna. My name  is   Bruno!  05:01, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Storyteller Guessing
In the prologue, the Storyteller said that she did “pretty well” but didn’t win. Keep that in mind when recording your guess, especially if you have an entry in the Winner Guessing.

Who is telling the story? Beth Bridgette Courtney Eva Gwen Heather Izzy Katie LeShawna Lindsay Sadie

Mark your choice below if you want to have your guess on record, in case I can actually think of a prize. Don't forget to vote in the poll, as well (not necessarily for the same person):


 * Beth: --<font color="#00008B">HINT:A AWESOME USER, <font color="#D2691E">that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, <font color="#00FFFF">what's with Cyan? 01:58, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bridgette: I really wish   you could all   be California boys.  00:52, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Courtney:-- Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last,  that's why I'll treat you like trash." 00:54, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eva: <font color="Orange">Lalainee <font color="Pink">SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE HERE 02:07, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Gwen: TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 00:48, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Heather: Mrdaimion:   Like you,   only better.  00:41, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Izzy: Bruno!   Talk!   Editcount!  03:30, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Katie: ~ <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(aqua), to(red)); border:4px ridge #black;">RPs & Writes!  ♪   <font face="Samdan">Dakota    ♫  Talks & Edits!  17:54, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * LeShawna:- The Anonymous User 04:03, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lindsay: Reddude
 * Sadie: Oh, come on. I bought KFC. It pretends to be southern, you pretend to be southern.  Don't go there!  03:20, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Paternity Guessing
If you did the math in the Prologue, you know that Brett is the right age to have been conceived either during the competition or within a few months afterward. If some of the options seem unlikely and/or squicky, I’m just covering all the bases.

Who is Brett’s father? Cody D.J. Duncan Ezekiel Geoff Harold Justin Noah Owen Trent Tyler Alejandro the intern another intern Chef Hatchet Chris someone not connected to the show

Mark your guess below if you want to have your guess on record, in case I can actually think of a prize. Don't forget to vote in the poll, as well (not necessarily for the same person):


 * Cody:
 * D.J.: Oh, come on. I bought KFC. It pretends to be southern, you pretend to be southern.  Don't go there!  03:20, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Duncan:- The Anonymous User 04:03, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ezekiel: --<font color="#00008B">HINT:A AWESOME USER, <font color="#D2691E">that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, <font color="#00FFFF">what's with Cyan? 01:59, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Geoff: <font color="Orange">Lalainee <font color="Pink">SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE HERE 02:06, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Harold:
 * Justin:Reddude
 * Noah:-- Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last,  that's why I'll treat you like trash." 00:56, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Owen: Bruno!   Talk!   Editcount!  03:30, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Trent: <font size="+1"> Watch out, <font size="-2"> He’s one of them.  <font size="+3"> Zap!    Way to go, Zoom.  17:59, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tyler: ~ <span style="background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(aqua), to(red)); border:4px ridge #black;">RPs & Writes!  ♪   <font face="Samdan">Dakota    ♫  Talks & Edits!  18:01, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Alejandro the intern: JustLittleOlMe Lil   Jay JLOM   Mrs. Gideon  01:41, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * another intern:
 * Chef Hatchet:
 * Chris:
 * someone not connected to the show: TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 00:48, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Prologue/Prelaunch Discussion
Okay. *reads prologue* This sounds awesome. I am officially excited for it. Sprinklemist Cyan is the new green. 03:19, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I just know I will really enjoy this story, as it is basically the telling of Total Drama Island from the perspective of a contestant, which means we get to see another side of the story! If I had to guess who the story is being told by, I would have to guess either Heather, Gwen or Courtney, but I guess I will just have to wait and see!- The Anonymous User 03:33, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Mai. Gawd. This. Was. Epic. So. Much. I. Can't. Speak. Without. One. Word. Setntences. XD. Epic. Job! --Reddude

Oh my goodness. *adds to bookmark widget* Another FF to stalk on My Home.

Any particular reason for that guess, TAU, beyond the fact that those three were central to my previous stories? Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:22, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Epic! I loved this "chapter" of the story. After a year of waiting...I get to see Gideon write again! Goldenshane 13:11, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I also got a Gwen or Heather vibe from reading it. I'm really not sure why. Watch it be someone random, like Izzy. XD Sprinklemist Cyan is the new green. 13:21, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Bet it's Eva.-Nad331

It could always be Leshawna or Bridgette...for me, it gives me a Heather or Bridgette vibe. Izzy drowned at the age of twenty-six after sinking from a ship, remember? XD...weird Legacy reference... Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  17:54, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I guessed one of those three as they seem most likely and most fitting to tell a Gideoncrawle-style tale about the horrors of first-season TDI. I know Heather and Gwen were infamous for griping about every minute detail of Chris' sadism or Chef's brutality/culinary "skills" or just the experience as a whole. I chose Courtney for similar reasons, but she was only a second-quarter out, so she would be less likely if it weren't for her seemingly timeless grudge-holding skills.- The Anonymous User 01:39, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

@ TAU: Keep in mind that this is a reimagining, which means (among other things) a different elimination order, so Courntey's status as a 2nd-quarter casualty in the original wouldn't necessarily be significant.

@ Shane: I'm not sure where you get the "year of waiting", unless you weren't aware that I started posting my Courtney story a few weeks ago. That cuts the year into two more or less equal parts. (Granted, CatVoD has neither the scope of LTDI nor the emotional power of Legacy, but still...) Also, while TDI-G&amp;S is rather a different animal, it nevertheless showcases certain elements of my writing, most notably my sense of humor (as Sprink has noted elsewhere). There's also a chance that I may have a one-shot or two, or perhaps another Fake Souls chapter, between now and the official launch of LTDI.

@ all: In addition to the standard Winner Guessing and/or Final Three Guessing, I will also have Storyteller Guessing. (Probably by poll, unless I can think of a prize.) I don't think it's revealing too much to say that the storyteller's identity will not be explicity revealed until near the end, but there will be certain clues throughout the story, mainly in the way certain contestants are depicted. The beauty of this--not the main reason I'm doing it, but a nice bonus--is that, if I should happen to slip and make a character a little too out of character or a little too Mary Sue-ish, it can be ascribed to the storyteller's biases and/or imperfect memory.

I will also have guessing on one other matter alluded to in the Prologue. (Hint: do the math.) Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 03:43, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me it's Courtney or Izzy, I just get that feeling. Christin McClean actually hosting? So this means your story is in the Sunshineverse?! That is so cool. I really can't comment on the story, since it really hasn't started yet.<font color="Lime">I love you when you dance <font color="Black">when you're freestyling trance  <font color="RedOrange">So pure such an expression  14:39, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I had planned almost from the beginning to mention Christin by name in the Prologue, because she ties in to the "Legend Of" part, and I have recently been thinking that she may actually appear in one scene. (I did change the spelling of her surname to match the most widely accepted spelling.) I chose Christin, instead of some relative of my own invention, because--well, really for no other reason than to please a friend. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 16:29, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Aw...the story won't start until, like, April of 2011? :( Dark clouds all  around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  03:28, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

If then. My Featured User interview, scheduled to appear in the September newsletter, will have more details. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:06, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Prologue = epic win, Gideon. I seriously cannot wait for the rest of this story, and not just 'cause my character got mentioned. XD It seriously looks absolutely amazing, even just from the prologue. I seemed to get a Gwen-ish vibe from the storyteller, but I wouldn't be surprised if you fooled us all and made the narrator someone completely unexpected. Now I just have to wait until the spring...

@TDIRM: Sunshineverse? I have a universe? o.o *grabs crown and scepter* *ALL HAIL MY UNIVERSE XD* (And now I await the many people giving me worried glances out of the corner of their eye, as per usual... XD) -- Sunshineandravioli- Legendary  Pixie!   RAVIOLI EVERYWHERE!  15:15, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

@Sunshine: All hail the Sun Queen! (There was a Sun King--Louis XIII of France--so why not a Sun Queen?) Yes, I know that was OT... Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 16:50, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Great prolouge, Gideon! I'm so excited for this to start, and I'm kinda really looking forward to that LAL parody you mentioned in your Featured User interview. xD -- <font color="#808080">I sing the song <font color="#c0c0c0">of the fading  <font color="#800080">silver star...  17:30, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

In order to add to the theory that this story was, intentionally or not, created for me, I'd like to mention a realization I had the other day: I suddenly recalled that, almost a year ago, I started planning out an eventual follow up to my (now on hiatus) competition story Total Drama Fame. This story, set several years afterwards, starred several original characters as well as offspring of original characters. The title of this fanfic was none other than "Total Drama: the Next Generation". I figured this little tidbit would amuse all of you. XD -- Sunshineandravioli- Legendary  Pixie!   RAVIOLI EVERYWHERE!  23:45, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Also, Sunshine, you may recall a tie-in I mentioned on a peripherally related blog discussion, a tie-in between one of LTDI's talent show acts and a way you have fun naming your Pokemon. (If you don't remember that, I wont repeat it here. No point in spoiling twice.) Anyway, if you feel a degree of "ownership" from all this--especially the things I'm doing intentionally--then so much the better. Not only will you enjoy the story more, but I will eventually be in the market for someone (or multiple someones) to illustrate it. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 20:18, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

OMG. I just read this the prologue and previews. THIS STORY IS SO INCREDIBLE!!!! Or the previews and prologue are. I CAN'T wait to read this. Are you going to post it all at once or a chapter at a time? Either way this story sounds incredible. I like all the poetry in. I love how you wrote everyone so unique. And I LOVED all the ROMANCE. I can't tell who is with Courtney though. Is it Duncan, DJ or Eziekel? I guess I'll have to wait. What is this rated? And will we find out who the mom is first or at the end. And how does the mom know everything thats going on? Not that I don't love nor not want the mom. The mom is a really cool part. Can't wait for more. Are you planning on giving a preview for st. patrick's day? Rhonda the stalker fan! 05:16, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'm kind of way later than everybody else, but I just started reading this because no time like the present, right? I loved the prologue and I'm already infatuated, so I think I'll go ahead and read the next chapter right now. I've heard good things about this story (Mostly from TBTDIF) and have been meaning to read it for a while, anyway, and I definitely will now. :3  We found dove in  a soapless place  ...  15:28, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

A little Q&A
In the comment immediately preceding this section, Rhonda asked several questions. Since she’s undoubtedly not the only one who would be interested to know, I will answer them in this section.

Are you going to post it all at once or a chapter at a time?
 * I’ll be posting one chapter at a time, because that tends to generate more feedback. When I’m ready for the official launch, I expect to post either every week or every two weeks, depending on how many chapters there are and how long they are. I will post Chapter one when it’s ready, rather than waiting for the official launch, because it will have little more than the character intros and will probably be the longest chapter in the whole story.

''I can't tell who is with Courtney though. Is it Duncan, DJ or Eziekel?''
 * At this stage, you’re not supposed to know. One of my criteria for selecting preview scenes is that they can’t have more than minor spoiler potential. I’ll let you in on a little secret, though: an early chapter actually mentions a fourth prospect for Courtney.


 * In the time that I’ve been working on LTDI, the story has gone in various directions that I didn’t necessarily intend, and Courtney’s popularity with the boys is one of these. This is partly because the LTDI Courtney retains the personality that her canon counterpart started with: bossy and driven, but friendly and generally well-meaning.

What is this rated?
 * LTDI is rated PG-13 for adult situations and mature subject matter. “Mature subject matter” is a fairly nebulous term, but “adult situations” usually means sexual content. “Adult situations”, though, is not to be confused with “explicit content”, which requres an R rating. The difference is in the level of detail.


 * For example, suppose a story calls for Duncan to have sex with Sunshine (a scenario I played with in one of the Valentine’s Day scenes). R-rated “explicit content” means that their encounter would be described in considerable detail, perhaps even a “play-by-play”. (Note, however, that if you have too much detail, or if its too graphic, it could go into the realm of pornography, which most fanfic sites don’t even allow.) Conversely, a PG-13 “adult situation” might describe something leading up to “the act” (e.g. the couple retiring to a private room) or after it (e.g. waking up in the same bed) without any mention of the “encounter” itself, or it might be stated that they had sex, with little or no detail given, or their fornication might be described in the sort of euphemistic terms common in romance novels. Note that, other things being equal, sex between 16-year-olds does NOT normally require a more restrictive rating than sex between 18-year-olds or even 21-year-olds.


 * One of the “mature subjects” LTDI deals with is teen pregnancy. Readers who did the math from the prologue learned that the Storyteller’s son is the right age to have been conceived either during the competition or shortly afterward. When LTDI launches, I plan to have four guessing games: winner guessing, Final Three guessing, Storyteller guessing, and paternity guessing.

Will we find out who the mom is first or at the end?
 * The Storyteller’s identity won’t be explicitly revealed until near the end, but I suspect that many—perhaps even most—readers will have it figured out well before then. There will be clues throughout the story, mainly in the way that certain campers are depicted.

How does the mom know everything that’s going on?
 * By talking to other ex-campers after arriving at the Playa de Losers and at the reunion, by watching the finished episodes, and by watching additional footage—especially confessionals—that the producers made available at the Playa de Losers to help the losers with their votes. There is also some educated guesswork on the Storyteller’s part for the sake of a more interesting story, and the Storyteller is undoubtedly embellishing certain details, especially in the story’s more cartoonish elements. (It’s called a "legend", after all. Besides, it's been 17 years.)

Are you planning on giving a preview for st. patrick's day?
 * No. Although I’ll make exceptions for special situations (e.g. posting romance and romance-related scenes on Valentines day, or posting the Courtney/Ezekiel scene on short notice because it was topical to events on the wiki) I have generally been posting previews on a two-month cycle. Since I previewed four scenes last month, and I don’t have anything that specifically fits St. Patty’s Day, the next preview will be around the end of April.


 * Sometime between now and then, I may do something special for my 3,000th edit. Perhaps the LTDI tropes listing (from the TV Tropes website) that I mentioned previously. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 03:04, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Preview Announcements
My fans have spoken and, over a single dissenting vote, you have called for additional previews on my blog page whilst you wait for the official launch. The next preview is scheduled for Saturday, 30 October, and will be part of my Halloween-themed 2,000th Edit Special. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:15, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

For the sake of completeness, here's a link to the first preview, a scene from the talent show, which I posted two months before I created the story page.

The second set of previews is up. My Halloween Special blog post includes two LTDI scenes fitting the Halloween theme. These are Gwen's arrival (because her Gothic aesthetic fits the occasion) and a scene from the phobia challenge. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:55, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

The third preview is posted. This preview features a scene that fits the "renewal" theme of New Year's Day, and also relates to an impending event in my own life. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:22, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

I have posted an unscheduled preview. I had not intended to preview this particular scene, because it has a couple of minor spoilers, but I decided that its ripped-from-the-wiki-headlines topicality made up for that. Don't worry, though, LTDI fans, you'll still get the "hot 'n' steamy" Valentine's Day preview I promised you. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 14:15, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

The Valentine's Day preview is now posted. This preview includes a couple of polls, so please vote. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:58, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

The sixth preview is now posted. This time, it's two short scenes, the first of which gives a look at the mother-and-son framing story. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:40, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

For those of you who are fans of the TV Tropes website, I have worked up a listing of tropes appearing in LTDI, as part of my 3,000th Edit special. Based on what I've written so far, and on the notes I've sketched out, I have identified an even 200 tropes in LTDI. There are undoubtedly more that I haven't identified yet, or that will appear as I write additional scenes. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:11, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

I have posted a holiday preview marking the anniversary (more or less) of the day that I announced this project to the wiki. This preview illustrates how I am making my story Darker and Edgier than the original by (among other methods) playing for drama certain incidents that the original played for laughs. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 23:41, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Prologue/Prelaunch Discussion, part 2
Thanks for answering my questions! Rhonda the stalker fan! 08:44, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Please tell me that the chapters will be posted, soon. I'm really digging this! :D I also loved that recent preview blog featuring the Heather/LeShawna conflict. ♪I wish that I could have this moment 4 life♫ ♪Whenever you call, baby I&#39;ll roll up♫ ♪After a hurricane comes a rainbow♫ 23:24, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Wow... Never thought I'd see the day where LTDI actually started! XD Judging from previews, I'll be rooting for Sadie. She's one of my favorite characters and VERY underused. Can't wait! -- Spotted at the hottest shows, interview on Charlie Rose,  they all want a piece of you!  03:15, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

It's starting in a few weeks! :D I can't say I've waited as long as some others, but I'm excited. Since I'm such a slow reader, it would probably take me like an hour to read each chapter, but whatever. XD SG has a habit   of changing his siggy   once a month.  04:51, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I hear you, SG. I've always been a very slow reader, too. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:59, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

First Night Polls
Oh, dear, what has the poor girl so affrighted? Something obviously harmless (like the canon cockroach) Something that looks dangerous, but isn't Something genuinely dangerous

What did you think of the First Night? (and don’t tell me it’s too long, because I already know that and it couldn’t be helped) Over 5: It was like a religious experience 5: Incredible 4: Great 3: Mixed bag 2: Disappointing 1: Awful 0: QOS writes better than this

First Night Discussion
Well...What can I say. I really, really enjoyed the first posting. I don't really know how to describe my feelings, but it feels like how it seemed when I first started watching Total Drama Island. It is a feeling of wonderful, new...a "what is this?" kind of feeling. I can't wait for the next posting. Great job, Gideon. <font color="Blue">TDIwriter <font color="Black">Ruining everyone's fun since 2009! 23:59, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Now that you mention it, that was the sort of reaction I was hoping for when I decided to write the intros as if the reader had never heard of TDI. The high word count was the price I paid for that, but I'm gratified that it seems to have worked out well. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 21:06, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Wow. This was amazing. There's so much I wanna talk about, but there's too much. It would take me an hour to say the amazing things in this story. It's like Total Drama Island reimagining, but in a much deeper and nostalgic way. It's like the regular Total Drama, but with much deeper insight on the contestants. Noah is much more than just the average sarcastic bookworm. He's a charmer with his intellect. I'm not usually the best reader, but I couldn't stop reading this (Okay, I skipped over a couple very detailed paragraphs :P). I'm especially excited to see Gwen in this story. The insight focused on her arrival was amazing, and made me look at the canon Gwen in a whole different way. I'm guessing the elimination order will be different, although I don't know if you've revealed that, but I'm excited to see what happened. Well done, Gideon.-- Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last,  that's why I'll treat you like trash." 00:07, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * A word to the wise, Radi: depending on which "very detailed" paragraphs you skipped over, it's possible that you may have missed a joke and/or a bit of foreshadowing. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:17, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oh crap was my first thing I thought when I saw the chapter knowing that it was this long but I think it's worth it. I loved the way you explained things and I'm hoping the eliminations won't be the same as Total Drama Island. I kind of find it as boring because some of my favorite characters didn't get their chance to shine. --<font color="#00008B">HINT:A AWESOME USER, <font color="#D2691E">that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, <font color="#00FFFF">what's with Cyan? 00:55, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * The elimination order is different from the original. As I've said elsewhere, how well I liked a given character in the original actually has little bearing on how far that character will get in LTDI. Some of my favorites do well, some don't. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:58, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * WOO, now I'm ecstatic as Sadie and Bridgette have a better chance to shine. I just hate the way Bridgette was portrayed in the last two seasons. :D --<font color="#00008B">HINT:A AWESOME USER, <font color="#D2691E">that loves Chatango and Chatting but wonders, <font color="#00FFFF">what's with Cyan? 01:02, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

OH MY GIDEON THAT WAS AWESOME! Sorry to go all caps but I loved that. TDIwriter said it well when he said it was like when seeing Total Drama Island the first time. You portrayed them so well. It was funny and extremely witty. You've given it a lot of depth. I'm still taking in what I just read. I can't decide who I like best! You answered a lot of the questions Total Drama Island left (like how the boat brings one contestant at a time). I really liked Izzy. She was super funny and I really loved the Sunshine joke. I think you gave everyone a good amount of screentime and didn't feel like anyone was too minor. I'm so excited for the next chapter! Oh, come on. I bought KFC. It pretends to be southern, you pretend to be southern. Don't go there!  01:05, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * As I've said elsewhere, Rhonda, I'm trying to make LTDI more of an ensemble story than the original was. (My readers will be the judges of how successful I am at this.) I obviously can't give everyone equal prominence and keep it remotely believable, but I'm trying to give even the backgrounders and secondary characters moments to shine. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:22, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well I thought you did a good job. And Kgman reminded me of something I thought was interesting. The screaming team had the red background and the killer team had the green. XD I found that interesting. Oh, come on. I bought KFC. It pretends to be southern, you pretend to be southern.  Don't go there!  02:09, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

This brought back so many memories from the first time I watched an episode of TDI. It's amazing. As long as this chapter was, I didn't want it to end. Everyone was explained in so much detail, and I just really enjoyed it. Also, "The team names have been changed because the author never liked the name, “Killer Bass” and didn’t want to change one team name without changing the other." - I thought I was the only one who hated that name, hehe. Can't wait for more! <font color="#600000">~ Kgman04! ♪ <font color="#A00000">Talk! ♫ <font color="#600000">Contribs! 01:24, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Really good chapter. Like everybody above said, it brought back some memories about the first time I've watched TDI. I loved how everyone had a good amount of screentime. Specially Katie and Sadie, whose doesn't had any development in the canon series, had a pretty good amount of time to shine in this. It's long, but worth of it. I'm really excited to see the next chapter. :D Bruno!   Talk!   Editcount!  02:51, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Oh gosh, Gideon, it was sensational. I enjoyed every line of it, and I didn't even notice how long it was. It's hard to pick out little bits to talk about because there's so much, but I have to say, the whole thing was spectacular. I was surprised about how racy it was at certain parts ("Duncan's reply to get bent, Cody's thoughts about Katie and Sadie), but I appreciated the realism that those parts gave to the characters. Teenagers can be pretty crude, after all. So, yeah. It was so worth the wait. I'm thrilled to read what happens next. -<font color="Orange">Lalainee <font color="Pink">SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE HERE 03:19, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * The racy bits are part of the reason for the PG-13 rating. That rating gives me a lot of flexibility whilst still keeping it reasonably kid-friendly; and because most of my writing is at a 9th or 10th grade reading level (according to the Flesch-Kincaid scoring) it's a natural fit. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 03:42, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

So........... EPIC! I LOVE the detail! As with above, I didn't notice how long it was XD <font color="SpringGreen">Tdi <font color="Silver">Heavy Metal Lover - Lady Gaga<font color="Red">California King Bed - Rihanna 05:38, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

... wow. This was amazing. I loved how descriptive it was, even though it did make the chapter so long it almost scared me off. I loved the "get bent" bit and Cody's thoughts of Katie and Sadie, as not only were they humourous but that also added a bit of realisim to it. I laughed a lot throughout the story at the surprisingly high (due to your writing style, I expected this to be more of a serious story) amounts of comedy, and I thrououghly enjoyed the dialouge between contestants. I... I don't think I can wait six weeks for the next chapter, Gideon. Mrdaimion:  Like you,   only better.  11:29, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Some of the later chapters will have a much more serious tone, but this happened to be one of the lighter chapters, befitting the fact that the campers don't yet know what they're in for. On the whole, I would describe LTDI as a drama with a lot of comic relief and a bittersweet ending.


 * As for the dialogue, that was one of the things that originally held me back from trying my hand at a competition story, and one reason why most of my early stories have little dialogue: when I joined this wiki, most of my knowledge of Teenspeak came from TD and 6Teen, so I didn't really feel comfortable writing dialogue for teenaged characters. Now that I've been on the wiki for over a year, I'm more comfortable in my ability to write realistic Teenspeak dialogue. A future chapter will probably have a poll for readers to tell me how well they think I'm doing with it. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 21:25, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty good first chapter. I love how you gave everyone equal screen-time, and the desripstions were so intresting, I didn't mind how long it was. The only part I didn't like is Noah's "speech" about the gods. That was cringe-inducing. And, I noticed that you called Sadie "fair" when i'm pretty sure she's supossed to be asian. Other than my nitpicking, excellent start!TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 18:28, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Basically, Noah was showing off with his theatrical, over the top flattery. As for Sadie, "fair" in this context simply means "of light color", and only Gwen has a lighter skin tone than Sadie. I've heard that Sadie is supposed to be Chinese, but not from any reputable source. It certainly wasn't mentioned in the episodes, and she has no identifiably Asian features. To believe that Sadie is Asian, you pretty much have to take someone's word for it. In any case, a reimagining isn't bound by any of that, witness the fact that my version of Owen is about a third bigger than the canon version. Likewise, the LTDI Courtney is explicitly tanned, whereas the canon Courtney is allegedly Hispanic. ("Allegedly" because that wasn't established in the episodes, either.) Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 21:51, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Great chapter, Gid! <3 I loved the intros, especially Gwen, Tyler, and Izzy's. I'm glad that it looks like the ever-popular GwenxTrent ship will be sailing again in this reimagining. I also loved Katie and Sadie, and am interested to see how they get on the same team. Speaking of witch, I'm pretty sure Sadie and Beth switch teams. The reason being one preview, if memory serves, had Duncan and Beth on the same team. Can't wait for more LTDI! Wonder whose gonna get the boot first. -- Spotted at the hottest shows, interview on Charlie Rose,  they all want a piece of you!  18:36, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Very good, Reddy. I think I know which preview you're alluding to, and the very first preview had Beth teaming up with Izzy for one of the Muskies' talent show acts. It's not giving away anything important to verify that Sadie does indeed switch with Beth, instead of the Katie-Izzy switch in the original. The chapter where this happens will include a trivia note explaining my reasoning. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 22:00, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Just a quick question; on the poll, it says for 0 "QOS writes better than this". Who is QOS? Sorry if I sound ignorant.TDWT>TDI-Slicer37 00:34, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * QOS, short for QueenOrangeSoda, was the wiki's most notorious problem user. She was before your time, so I'm not surprised that you're not familiar with her. She doesn't actually write all that poorly, if you can get past her fondness for posting porn, but the "0" option was a joke and I needed a recognizeable, much-maligned name to make the joke work--and (fortunately) this wiki doesn't provide a lot of options. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:52, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa. This was...whoa. I knew this was going to be amazing, but I didn't know it was going to be so long and yet so good you just read on and on. It reminds me of the pilot of TDI--but if it was an hour-long premiere, and about ten times more theatrical and in-depth. I especially love the way you made Chris more of an actual character, with his anger at Sadie, as well as the footnote-type things of what should be edited in post-production. Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  01:18, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

One thing bugs me. How did the storyteller know about everyone's thoughts? Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  00:13, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * See the Q&A section above. (It has its own heading in the Table of Contents.) Rhonda asked that question, among others, during the prelaunch period. The short version is that the (italicized) unspoken thoughts were actually voiced in confessional spots. For the most part, LTDI won't have the sort of plainly identified confessional spots that most competition stories do. Instead, those thoughts will be incorporated into the narrative. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:03, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Gideon, you have truly blown my mind. The amount of detail that you put into this was incredible. I couldn't get over how well described everyone was and how rich you made it. I could honestly see it playing out in front of me. It was that well describle. Also I completely loved the Heather/Duncan scene since I am a huge supporter (or shipper, if you like that one) of them. You're just making the original show that we love and you're making it a million times better. Now I hope that we'll be seeing new drama and new pairings, not just a complete re-telling. But I can say you definitely won me over. GossipQueen 00:43, September 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Worry not, GQ, you'll defintely see new pairings and shippings. (Recall Justin and Lindsay's "love at first sight" moment.) You'll also see a "will they or won't they" pairing that I've been told has never been done before. (Color me skeptical on that, though--I'd have thought that every possible heterosexual pairing would have been done by now.) As for new drama, it's already been noted in these comments that Sadie will switch teams instead of Katie--a minor change with major and far-reaching repercussions. So, no, LTDI isn't just a complete retelling. Besides, I've already done a Gideon-flavored retelling of the canon TDI story arc. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:39, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

This is absolutley brilliant! By the way, your sayings for Courtney, "That Napolian was short too.", and "The Diminutive Dynamo," just made my day. I will be sure to use those for my own social gain. The wording is so brilliant in this story, and your developed descriptions of the characters makes it feel like I am watching the series for the first time! Amazing work, and I can't wait to figure out who the narrator is! I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. 01:23, September 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I take it you're short, too? As for the "diminutive dynamo" moniker, I needed something distinctive to call Courtney before she reveals her iconic CIT experience--without which she wouldn't be Courtney--and the alliteration doesn't hurt. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:19, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious about the other stories for other times. Noah, and Lindsay were funny. I apoligize for my short comment. <font color="LimeGreen"> Don't  hug me <font color="LimeGreen"> I'm scared


 * The phrase, "but that is another story for another time" means that it becomes a plot point in a later chapter. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 17:04, October 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know that. What I meant was there were so many I was wondering what the stories were. <font color="LimeGreen"> Don't  hug me <font color="LimeGreen"> I'm scared


 * Sorry, Fan, no spoilers. You'll find out in the fullness of time. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 21:57, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Second Night will be up soon, right? -- Guilty as charged  I've been convicted and tried   Was it too much to ask for you to take my side?  23:33, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

This comment is long overdue, so I’m just going to split it into parts. Hope it doesn’t take up too much space.

Compared to the rest of the story, I think the Prologue reads a bit awkwardly. I’m unsure of how large of a break there was between writing the Prologue and First Night, but the writing style seems a bit different. I know it’s just a prologue and it’s a completely different setting, so maybe the slight change was on purpose. Specifically, I think the beginning of the scene doesn’t quite read correctly, though the abrupt opening may have been used just to keep the scene brief.

I think one of the best things about this story is that it stays true to its name. It’s fitting that The Legend of Total Drama should actually be told like a legend, and I think First Night proves this the most. The tall-tale style introduction of the camp really sets the tone for the entire episode while giving Camp Wawanakwa a believable origin. Using the Camp TV’s fooled fame seekers premise is a great move on your part, and was always the one I wished the actual show had taken (since it really would make sense as to why some of the stranger contestants wanted to be on the show). Another thing I really enjoy about your writing is that you are able to come up with an explanation for anything, whether it’s the goof of some of the contestants not having luggage or explaining Beth’s chunky braces as a result of her poor farming background.

As you’ve mentioned before, a lot of authors skimp on the introductions, ignoring the potential for memorable first impressions. I like that with some contestants you barely added any more dialogue than what the actual show gave them, though the descriptions introduce the contestants so much better than the episode originally did. Beth always had one of my favorite character designs because she just fits her personality so well, so I really like the description you gave her. She is such an awkward character that I think it’s fitting that she gets such a long description for her bizarre appearance rather than dialogue. The description of Heather introduces her role to the story as soon as she had arrived in a way that makes her seem more elegant than the brattier character that the show had made her seem to be in the first episode. The sexual innuendo-laced exchange between Heather and Duncan is actually one of my favorite parts of the introduction, since it shows both of their personalities but sounds like typical teenagers. I think Harold’s reads a bit awkwardly because the description breaks up the action a little too much, though it still was much more interesting than his canon introduction.

Katie and Sadie’s portrayal as more of kids who never grew up rather than the simple idiots that they were portrayed as in the show is refreshing and makes them a lot more likable. Along the same line, Lindsay’s confusion over the phrase “Look, bra” was kind of hilarious. Your original introduction of Eva as more of an Amazon than a rage monster was a great change, as she’s always been a character that I’ve wanted to see people explore. Your more outspoken Noah is definitely a charm to read… though he’s probably the opposite to his other campers. His “Blaxploitation” comment is actually a good question, though I’m assuming LeShawna’s bilingual roots will be mentioned later. Trent’s introduction makes him seem like a sort of (for lack of a better term) “judge’s plant”. He seems overly favored by Chris compared to the others, almost like the host chose him personally to be on the show. I never expected to get that kind of an impression from him, so I’m pleasantly surprised.

Though I personally was a bit annoyed at the several “story for another time” asides, I can see why you put them there as they made me wonder what exactly is going to happen. It also shows just how far ahead you’ve planned the story, as having specific events planned from chapter one takes serious organizational skills. Also, I really don’t remember if they mentioned it in the original show or if was just an assumption that I had made as well, but I liked your explanation of the three-day cycle. Overall, I really enjoyed the introductions and your take on the familiar characters, as they mesh unexpectedly well with your unique writing style.  FFL:  Until the fall, here we are.  21:50, August 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * In order to reserve the title, I posted the prologue a year before the official launch, although a few of the First Night scenes (most notably Gwen's intro) had been written by then. The stylistic difference is indeed mainly due to the difference in setting. The abruptness of the beginning, with no real background info to speak of, helps to keep things vague in order to set up the "who's telling the story" question. As for the rest of the story, it's not so much a case of the style staying true to the title as the style inspiring the title.


 * As for my being able to explain "anything", that's something I enjoy doing because I value internal consistency, and it meshes well with my desire to provide a more detailed backstory than is possible when you're confined to 20-minute segments. (When people suggest that LTDI is better than the canon, I'm not too proud to point out that a novel writer has certain advantages over a TV show writer.)


 * Trent's intro is actually pretty similar to the canon version; but here Trent does a more skillful job of sucking up, intentionally or otherwise. Eva (as later chapters show) still has a problem temper because she wouldn't be Eva without it, any more than Courtney could still be Courtney without her CIT experience, but in LTDI it isn't the be-all and end-all of her personality. LeShawna, as I mentioned in the Notes, is a francophone because a later chapter has an incident requiring that one of the campers be from Montreal; and while Montreal is pretty much fully bilingual (unlike most of the rest of Quebec, where a large chunk of the population speaks only French) making French her first language adds a bit of color. I gave Harold his "show stopping" intro because I think it fits his self-image and because I'm a fan of the Icelandic sagas, in addition to the reasons I gave in the Notes. Heather's initial image of regal elegance (which you'll see again) is in fact exactly what I was going for, but she reveals her bratty side soon enough.


 * As for the "another story for another time" foreshadowing, that is one of several reasons why I really wanted to hold off on actually posting chapters until I had finished writing the story. The phrase appears four times in First Night (and in later chapters as well, albeit much less frequently). In two of those cases, I had not merely planned the incident to which it alludes, but actually had the finished scene in hand. The phrase itself is a narrative flourish, just like the ubiquitous "but nothing would be gained by repeating it here". (The latter flourish phrase comes straight out of The 1,001 Nights, where it appears with great frequency.) I could have varied the wording to make these phrases less repetitive, and probably would have in another story. Here, though, the repetition is a stylistic point. Combined with the frequent use of certain descriptors for the various characters, these never-varying phrases (as if to make the story easier to remember) are intended to give LTDI the feel of something that's been handed down through an oral tradition. It's all part of the "legend" style.


 * In the first canon episode, Chris explicitly stated that the challenges would be held every three days. How well subsequent episodes actually kept to that is very much open to debate. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  04:32, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Second Night Polls
Oh, dear, is this the end of Harold? ‘Fraid so. Rest in pieces, Harold. Of course not. If they didn’t have brushes with death, it wouldn’t be Total Drama.

Who was winning the “alliter-off” alliteration duel when Chris cut it short? Noah Izzy Tie Do I look like I would like even a little alliteration, let alone a lot?

Second Night Discussion
This chapter turned out to be significantly longer than I was expecting. I thought it would be around 7500-8000 words, but it turned out to be almost 11,000—almost as long as the First Night. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:08, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm so glad this is up. (Yes, I've been told I am an extremely fast reader) The alliter-off is pretty epic. I'm still intrigued as to Brett's mother's identity. I hope it's not the end of Harold. Oh, and I also loved the lamprey picture you put in there, those things freak me out. XD Noah and Izzy were my favorites this episode. Can't wait for more! <font color="Red">Toadgamer80 <font color="Orange">The jester of Tortuga. 00:11, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow, Toad, you didn't even give me a chance to put up the trivia. Anyway, glad you liked it. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:25, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I was so excited to see you put up a new chapter! I really liked it. I'm not sure what I liked best though. It was just that good! I do like that you included the music and I really enjoyed the pieces. I have to say Harold taking out the stag was unexpected but good development. I also liked how Eva got a far amount of attention which is more than the show can ever say. I really liked how you got a lot of the teen speech down (I think Geoff was one person I remember sounding like a modern teen). I also really liked Lindsay and all of her dumb moments. It was exactly as I expected Lindsay to be. I honestly didn't realize that Izzy and Noah's fight was an alliter-off until I came to the talk page even after reading the trivia. It wasn't that it wasn't clear in the story, I just couldn't pick up on it. I really found Noah funny and I loved Izzy's crazy moments especially when she was wrestling the shark. I'm really excited for the next part and I can't wait to find out what happened to Harold. I'm pretty sure he survived but I know something more will happen. I have no clue who the mother and I can't wait to find out who she is!  Your heart, your heart abandoned. Your wrong now bear the shame. Like dead trees in cold December nothing but ashes remain. Oh Ember, so warm and tender, you will remember my name! 03:16, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Izzy was actually riding the shark like a rodeo bull, this particular shark being large enough that a wrestling match would have gone badly for our favorite psycho hosebeast (well, maybe second-favorite after Julie). Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:37, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I was expecting the first elimination but nevertheless, without the elimination, it still made a great chapter. I'm really excited to see who goes first because I think everybody is DYING to know who's the storyteller. -- If your undies are tight, <font color="#D2691E">it's uncomfortable.   If you're a boy and your bra is tight, I'm uncomfortable  03:38, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just imagine how long the chapter would have been if it had covered the entire challenge plus the elimination. The Third Night will include the first elimination ceremony. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:27, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

I loved the Second Night chapter. So, I like that Eva gets more attention, as she didn't had in the Canon series. My favorites in this chapter were Izzy, Noah and Lindsay.Well, I don't have a clue about who is storyteller. I think it's someone who did something very very bad. So, I still believe Harold will not die, but I'm feeling that something bad will happen with him. Well, I can't wait to see who will be the first eliminated. My name  is   Bruno!  05:25, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Izzy is my favorite. With the nights does it mean the challenge days or the nights Brents mom is telling the story. For some reason I have a feeling that the mother is an intern or something. <font color="LimeGreen"> Fan  has figured out me <font color="LimeGreen"> the sig date and time thing!  12:33, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * The "Night" headings ("First Night", "Second Night", etc.) are the nights that Brett's mom is telling the story. The episodes have their own headings, in the form "The Tale of X", e.g. "The Tale of the Gathering" (episode 1) and "The Tale of the First Challenge" (episode 2). The Prologue revealed that the mother was a contestant when she said, "I did pretty well, but I didn't win." Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:46, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

No, Brett's mom is one of the female contestants that goes far (I guess Final 10) but doesn't win. --12:39, October 30, 2011 (UTC) (Reddy)

This was a really great chapter, Gid! I actually read it last night, but it was late and I was a little too tired to comment. I loved the alliter-off. It was very Dr. Seuss-like. I enjoyed Eva in general this chapter, especially her whole interaction with Leshawna. What I liked about that scene was that it was almost like a director's cut of the original scene or a deleted scene. It was pretty cool. Lindsay is delightfully dimwitted, as usual, and I liked Geoff a lot too. The part where he talked about all the female members of his team was funny to me because it seemed like such typical teenage guy dialogue. That's about all I've got, for now. I can't wait to read the next chapter, to see who wins the challenge and who gets eliminated. -<font color="Flamingo pink">Lalainee <font color="Pink">Signatures are so mainstream.21:21, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Boys being boys" was exactly what I was going for in the Geoff/Harold "sizing up the chicks" scene, so it's good to hear that I pulled it off. This scene was part of how the Storyteller's insider perspective reveals the campers behaving more like normal people than the finished episodes suggested. (For the record, the finished episodes mentioned in this reimagining don't show the campers behaving any more multidimensionally than the canon episodes did.) As for Eva/LeShawna, "deleted scene" is probably the more apt description, as the implication was that Eva is (at least to a degree) a victim of manipulative editing. Both scenes also serve the purpose of laying the groundwork for possible friendships down the road. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:37, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

This chapter made me start forming some more significant opinions about some of the characters. Though there are a few that I'll admit I'm not fond of (yet), I'm going to save any comments on them for later. It's only the second night, after all. So, here's some of my positive reactions...

I really like Harold, so I’m glad he has a greater part in this episode (even though I’m aware of his eventual fate). He’s always been an interesting character that I feel Total Drama ended up taking in the wrong direction, so I really like your portrayal of him a walking encyclopedia as it highlights one of the best parts of his character. I also actually really like the way you write Geoff. Though his conversation with Harold about the girls might seem a bit rude, his character has always been a bit shallow so I think it works for him. The fact that he has already summed up all of this about each of the girls fits his social personality, as I’m sure he’s interacted with people similar so he finds it easy to judge them. Geoff also had displayed a few times in TDI that he actually was capable of taking a leader’s role, so I’m glad that you seem to have kept that trait (at least that’s what I got from his reaction to his team reprimanding Tyler). I also really enjoy his “urban cowboy” title.

I unexpectedly love your Courtney. She’s a character that I think a lot of people write wrong, so no matter how great the story I always go into it expecting the worst for her (fun fact, for a while Courtney was my least favorite character, mostly because of a combination of TDA and fanfiction.net). As seen with the way she handles Izzy and Sunshine’s bunk and Lindsay not understanding a rhetorical question, your Courtney actually has a caring side that I think the canon character lost as the series went on. I’ve personally always thought she probably was a CIT because (other than wanting the authority that being a counselor would give her over others) she was good at dealing with children, so this behavior really fits my head canon for her.

Ezekiel being religious also fits my personal idea of him. He’s a character who I usually skim over in stories due to the fact that, to be honest, I like him as a very minor character and prefer him to stay that way, although I did pick this tidbit of his personality out as interesting.

One negative I noticed is that your Chris seems to have had most of the “surfer dude” taken out of him. Though he still seems to have the same drama-hungry personality, a lot of his lines seem to be a bit too technical compared to others. This could be explained as him reading from a pre-written script as a lot of his lines are explanations of camp and show policies, though they contrast with some of the lines that you kept from the show (like his “man” exchange with Geoff back in First Night) so it seems a bit inconsistent. (The inconsistency is the only reason why I'd consider the change a negative.) Speaking of Chris, though a lot of his items in his list of infirmary duties are from the canon Total Drama, I’m predicting that plenty of them foreshadow upcoming events in the story.

You make plenty of references to various things, but one of my favorites was the Hades and Persephone comment that Noah makes about Lindsay’s pomegranate. It’s my favorite Greek myth, so I always get a kick out of seeing it show up in places. I also like the brief Star Wars mention as Izzy marched back to her table (as I do prefer that series over Star Trek any day, though I probably shouldn’t have said that, haha). This comment was a lot longer and lot more character focused than I'd expected, but overall I really liked the chapter. This TDI episode was rather dull compared to the later ones, but you brought a lot more life into it for LTDI.  FFL:  Until the fall, here we are.  06:55, August 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * There's nothing wrong with a character-focused review, especially early in the story, since character interpretation is possibly the biggest thing that will make or break a reimagining story. As for your not being fond of certain characters now, maybe that will change; and if not, the fact that you don't like them is less important than the reasons why you don't like them. Everyone can't be likeable if I'm to make this at all realistic; so as long as you as a reader care what happens to them and don't think I'm writing poorly for them, I think we'll be all right.


 * I'm glad to hear that you like my rendition of Courtney, because I also think she was ill used in the canon. I've mentioned elsewhere that I regard the TDA Courtney as an impostor.


 * Regarding Chris' dialogue, he wasn't actually reading from a script, but I figured that he might be more businesslike during the orientation than at some other times. I hadn't really thought about it at the time, but on rereading some of those passages, I think I can see why you thought some of his lines were more "technical" than they should be. Perhaps I'll try to reword some of them a bit. In any case, I wasn't really trying to change his personality, so give him a few more chapters. If his dialogue still sounds inconsistent after that time, then you could chalk it up to my not having a good ear for the "skater dude" idiom.


 * Glad I could be of service with the Hades/Persephone reference. I also have an interest in mythology and the related genres, epic poetry and Norse/Icelandic sagas. A couple of the later challenges borrow heavily from elements of classical mythology. As for your liking Star Wars better than Star Trek, I don't subscribe to the "this town ain't big enough for both of us" mentality so common in those fandoms, so I won't hold your preference against you. (Much.) Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  04:53, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Third Night Polls
Who do you think will be voted off? Beth Tyler

Who do you think SHOULD be going home? Beth Tyler Someone else Nobody, because the Muskies are already a player down

What did you think of the cliffhanger placement? It was great. It took the “dramatic pause” to its logical extreme Meh. You had to put a cliffhanger somewhere. You are evil! Evil, I say! EEEEEEEEEE-VILLLLLLLLLL!

Third Night Discussion
Wow... This remaining certainly wasn't kind to Harold, now was it? O_O I loved the chapter, nonetheless! :D Heather is my gave, and I'm sure Beth is the mother-- She'd be the only one to know about her conversation with Alejandro. Based on that and previews, I've come to the conclusion that Tyler is going home.

Great chapter! Need any help setting up the elimination chart? -- I wanted to change my signature.  Okay?!  06:03, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I might ask your help on that, Reddy, although I'll probably study the source code of other tables and try my own hand at it first. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:30, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

I must say, these chapters are definitely worth the wait in between them. While I am not a Harold fan by any stretch of the imagination, his fate at the sharks' figurative "hands" was a certain shock. To be honest, I am surprised that they even had an elimination in this chapter, seeing as Harold already "left" the competition by other means. Also, I did NOT expect Katie and Sadie to be as forceful as they were in this chapter, what with their extreme tickle torture and all. I may have some respect for those two hive-minded balls of saccharine irritation after all.

As far as the Beth and Alejandro thing, while it does lend itself as a hint to the narrator's identity, I still am not sold that she is Beth, as the scene may just be a "red herring", and the true narrator found out through other means. After all, there is not one omnipresent character in the story, as Beth was not present for many of the other dialogues that have happened in the story. My money is still on LeShawna as the narrator, but I can't remember why I thought that for the life of me. I would have to re-read the First Night to figure it out, I suppose.- The Anonymous User 06:57, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * The Beth/Alejandro scene could be a clue to the Storyteller's identity (i.e. hinting at the possibility of a forbidden love down the road), or it could be a red herring as you and Lal suggested, or it could simply be a character development scene, with Al in the role of Mr. Exposition. As for your belief that LeShawna is the Storyteller, but not remembering why you think that, I can think of a couple of things that might have led you to that conclusion: When she arrived, it was noted and shown that LeShawna has an eye for the boys (this was also referenced in her clifftop quarrel with Heather); and in her scene with Eva after the first meal, there was a line suggesting that LeShawna might be sexually active (the logical alternative being that she just talks a good game), and I don't think it's revealing too much to say that Brett didn't come from an immaculate conception. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:30, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

I just wanna know who goes!! Beth seems like she could be a potential breakout character so I hope she stays. I loved the chapter though. I could actually see Sadie and Katie beating Chris up. XD -- If your undies are tight, <font color="#D2691E">it's uncomfortable.   If you're a boy and your bra is tight, I'm uncomfortable  17:29, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

GIDEON! I COULD KILL YOU! XD I know every chapter is supposed to end with a cliffhanger, but... ARGH! If I was Brett, I'd be furious at my mom for ending the story like that. Other than that, I loved this chapter! Katie and Sadie's epic assault on Chris was awesome and unexpected. I loved that they were unwilling to budge even after Chris threatened to have them kicked off the show. I love the two of them even more now. I also thought the whole situation with Katie and Sadie being on their periods was both really funny and really gross. XD I appreciated it, though, because that's another thing that doesn't usually get brought up in a lot of these fanfics even though it's obviously an issue that teenagers talk about. I guess no one wants to go there? That's what I love about this story, Gid. You go there. Not everyone is good at writing 'ghetto' dialogue or slang, but I think you're doing an awesome job with Leshawna! I especially liked her use of the word frontin', which I personally love to use at times.

I'm with my bud TAU on the whole 'red herring' Beth-Alejandro scene. She could have easily told someone else about what happened, so I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about who the storyteller is. That's not that important to me right now, though.

Eva was great in this chapter. I loved her trilobite line, and her conflicts with Duncan and Ezekiel. She's becoming one of my favorites already. I also loved that you sampled The Female of the Species when she was choking Ezekiel (I think that's when it popped up), as that's actually one of my favorite poems. I chose to read it for a competition in one of my English classes last year where whoever read their poem most dramatically or effectively would win extra credit, and I won. The girls in my class liked it a lot, as you might imagine.

Harold's fate was pretty unfortunate, to say the least. I didn't think he'd actually end up dead. They really shouldn't have to vote someone off, but that's Chris for you. Lindsay had a few good moments this chapter. I loved that she agreed with Heather's sentiment that ugly clothes and ugly hair make for an ugly inside. It reminded me of the TV show Daria, a little. Duncan was particularly heinous this time around. I was hoping he'd go home, but I knew he wouldn't be based on previews. His comment to Eva was the clincher for me, but I guess that's because I really like Eva right now. The last thing I want to comment on is that I loved Noah's twist to the "Hell hath no fury" line, as well as basically everything else Noah has said. I'm really enjoying his wit and the conflict between him and Chris. I can't recall a time where I've written a comment this long on anything, so I guess you should feel special. Oh, and I read the trivia. I can imagine that Lil is skilled at tickle torture. That seems like something she'd be good at. XD Excellent job on Third Night, and I look forward to what's to come! -<font color="Orange">Lalainee <font color="Gold">Mirror in the sky, what is love? 18:04, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can assure you that there won't be another "final marshmallow" cliffhanger, because that's a surprise that only works once. Another thing I won't normally do is put in a large number of blank lines to indicate the dramatic pause. Indeed, the only reason I did it this time is to set up the cliffhanger. The reason I put the cliffhanger where I did is because, in the original episode, Chris took a full 40 seconds to award the final marshmallow in the first ceremony. My version is similar, so Chris still has some camera mugging to do.


 * There will probably be at least one other cliffhanger in the middle of a ceremony, but not at the last marshmallow, and there will be unusual circumstances involved. Most elimination ceremonies will be somewhere in the middle of the chapters that have them. Actually, you should be thankful that I got as far as the elimination ceremony. This chapter turned out to be so long--over 12,000 words--that I considered splitting it. The main reason I didn't was because the subheadings break up the chapter well enough, and I figured my readers had been waiting long enough for the first ceremony. (If I was posting biweekly instead of bimonthly, I would almost certainly have split the chapter, perhaps in the "Zeke puts his foot in it" scene.)


 * Considering how my prelaunch blog unaccountably brought the Sadie fans out of the woodwork, I suspected people would like my take on how she and Katie came to be on the same team. As for LeShawna's dialogue, I'm glad to hear that you think I'm doing a good job, but you give me too much credit. My knowledge of ghetto slang comes mainly from LeShawna's canon counterpart, so I've been trying to follow that model.


 * I'm sure you noticed that Lindsay didn't do much in this chapter, nor did Izzy. This was partly to give some others a chance to shine (Beth getting her first big scene, for example), but also because Lindsay and Izzy are essentially comic characters, and Third Night is one of the story's darkest chapters. As for Duncan, some people have remarked on the unfairness of Zeke getting kicked off first in TDI when Duncan was pretty sexist in his own right. I've made Duncan's sexism more explicit, and I think his conflict with Eva and his emerging friendship with Zeke are natural consequences of this, among other factors. In any case, Duncan is an excellent example of something I've said before, i.e. that how well I like a character's canon version--I despise the canon Duncan--has little bearing on how prominent the LTDI version will be.


 * Finally, I'm flattered to get your longest comment to date, so naturally I've given you a long response. Feedback is good, but detailed feedback is better. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  06:25, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

You should cross out Harold from the Winners Guessing Contest and Paternity since he's kind of dead. -- If your undies are tight, <font color="#D2691E">it's uncomfortable.   If you're a boy and your bra is tight, I'm uncomfortable  18:23, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I wasn't planning to strike out incorrect guesses, because that could spoil for late arrivals. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  06:25, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I've been reading these but not commenting, because I can just tell you. However, this time I'll comment here to say that your writing is incredible! Not only do I feel like I'm one of the camerapeople, but I feel as though I'm actually watching it happen. I love the bantering and the reasoning behind some of their actions. Sadie and Katie's tickle torture was phenomenal, and I'm also really glad that Eva and Ezekiel are getting more coverage than in the original, along with Katie and Sadie.

Duncan was actually nice to Zeke! Sort of. Courtney and the sharks, the "twins" having their period, Harold and the sharks, Beth and Alejandro, DJ explaining his fears--this is such a good read, I almost wish we could have read it right after the show was on, as sort of a "behind the scenes look" at the series! Again, awesome job writing this, and I can hardly wait for the next installment. --Wifey :) JustLittleOlMe Lil   Jay JLOM   Mrs. Gideon  02:41, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Harold isn't dead. My mind was in a haze through the chapter, as all I could think of was that Harold isn't dead and that everyone else in this story is a jackass. Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  05:35, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't really understand this comment. Why were you thinking that everyone is a jackass? Even if you were being facetious (which seems to me a distinct possibility) I still don't get it. As for Harold's status, do you have specific reasons (e.g. no blood/body, as Rhonda noted) for believing he's not dead, or do you just believe on general principles that I wouldn't do it?


 * It's more denial, really. I wasn't expecting it at all, and Harold's one of my favorite characters. On the jackasses note, everyone just seemed incredibly selfish during parts of the chapter (manipulating Beth). 108.15.100.206 02:32, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * You weren't the only one in denial. As the Storyteller noted, that's part of the reason, and perhaps the biggest part, why the Eagles were being so callous in manipulating Beth. It wasn't really until Beth defused an imminent beatdown with her armor-piercing question that the campers truly started to accept what had happened. As for not believing that Harold is really dead, I'll admit that I left a lot of room for skepticism on that point. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:37, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, My, Gideon, the new chapter made me love LTDI even more! It was just so fantastic! It was amazing. I love how you narrate the story, it's so powerful and charming. You could narrate a story about eating a sandwich and it would be awesome! I like how your narrative is strong and very intelligent and sophisticated but when the contestants talk like you would think they would sound. It makes such a great read. And I love how everyone has a nickname, makes it much less repetitive.

Is Harold really dead? It seems too shocking to believe, and with no blood or body it seems to hard to believe. It seems like a real trick. But if Harold is dead, it was definitely shocking. You said you wish you could nominate the first elimination of LTDI for most shocking elimination. Is this the one you meant, because I would vote for it.

Katie and Sadie's scene was purely awesome. You've given those two more character development and screen time then the actual show. Katie and Sadie are always counted out early in fanfictions and are really just fillers. The way their portrayed is great! I think Chris said it best, "all the early-out cannon fodder is turning out way different from what I expected." Eva was written really well too and I loved how major you've made her. Again, you've given Eva more character development and screen time then the actual show.

I feel bad for poor Beth. Being switched teams and picked on. I liked her discussion with Alejandro. I loved the Camp TV allusion and how Alejandro was talking about him being a Gary Stu. XD! I think the Alejandro and Beth was a red herring for the real mom. You said they heard all the stories from interviews so I suspect Alejandro was also interviewed.

LeShawna and Heather's duel was as, if not more, awesome than on the shows. LeShawna and Heather sound really believable. Katie and Sadie's period mishap was funny. I remember you mentioning LTDI had made mention to periods.

Zeke's sexism is going to be really interesting in the future, based on the previews. I really liked the poem about how the female is deadlier than the male. I really love all the allusions in the story, they're so clever. I liked the plans to open the crates and I liked how Heather used Gwen's mattress, can't wait to see what happens >:D.

I felt bad that the Muskies lost, but I'm glad they didn't steal the part. If the Muskies found a way to make the water hot, (like boiling it) who would have won? I found it humorous Eva got the first marshmallow because she wasn't at the first ceremony. I don't know if that was planned but I still like it. I'm pretty sure I know who is staying based on previews but I'm still nervous to see who goes. I prefer Beth staying since I think she has more reason.

I can't wait for more! When's the next chapter going to be? <font color="33FF33">Now you’ve got one hand. Look around, floating town. <font color="6600CC">Tell a baby to talk to the hand!  06:19, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * When the story gets to the "Brunch of Disgustingness" chapters (or, as I'm calling it, "The Tale of Disordered Eating") you'll get to see how I narrate the eating of a sandwich. As for the contrast between narrative style and dialogue style, you're not the first to comment on that, and I'm glad you like it. The narrative includes some flourishes of the sort that appear in The 1,001 Nights in addition to my distinctive style, but I thought it important for the sake of believability that the characters speak more or less like they did in the original.


 * I'm glad you liked the Katie/Sadie persuasion scene. I'm rather proud of it. As for Eva, I'm trying to make her a little more vulnerable than in the original, albeit still tough as nails and still with a hair-trigger temper. (I think it's more realistic this way, which is in keeping with the Storyteller's insider perspective.) And yes, Harold's "elimination" is what I was referring to when I said on that blog that LTDI's first elimination would have been a strong candidate for "most shocking elimination" if it were eligible. It was intended to shock the reader, and it apparently succeeded. That said, it's not in the story merely for shock value--it's important to certain storylines.


 * If the Muskies had found another way to heat the water, it wouldn't have helped them, because hot tubs are expected to be able to heat water without external assistance, and it's doubtful that the Muskies could have brought in externally heated water without Chris noticing. Now that you mention it, though, it might have made for a good bit of comic relief if they'd heated the water too much and Chris had gotten scalded testing it. As for Eva getting the first marshmallow when the actual episode skipped over her, you give me too much credit. It's a nice coincidence, but the real reason Eva got the first was because I like her and I was disappointed when she became such a minor character in the original. In fact, if the campers were real and I was one of them, Eva is probably the girl I would have developed a crush on (although I would probably have ended up with Beth, if anyone.) In any case, Eva was at the ceremony in the original, they just skipped over the bit where she got her marshmallow (just like with Noah's dive). Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:36, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

To much suspense Gideon. TO MUCH SUSPENSE!!!!!!!!!! Other than that I enjoyed the chapter, Lindsay, Katie, and Sadie are funny. And the characters I enjoy are Leshawna, Courtney, Ezekial, and Beth. And Alejandro. I'm a banana! 21:27, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Harold isn't dead. Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  21:54, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

This story basically just pulled me into reading everything! I absolutely love this story! I love it because of the suspense, the humor, the friendships and the shocking facts about the contestants. I really love this story. :) ★  <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:5px; border:4px ridge #aqua; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em aqua; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em purple; background-color:aqua">  ♥   Mikey    ☮    The star is the guide  ★  03:31, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

The story is getting better and better. First, I'm shocked with Harold's "death". I still thinking about so much possibilities about it. He may is really dead; he returning at the middle of the competition; or become a zombie á la TDWT's Ezekiel. xD I'm loving Katie & Sadie. They are way more developed than they were at the canon series. The "Katie and Sadie at period" part was hilarious. And I never thought they could be so mean. Tickling torture is the worst thing ever. I'm having another perspective of Ezekiel this time. I can stand him tis time, while I hatedI'm really liking Eva also, as we are seeing him more of her. The early, undeveloped character are getting more tridimensional personalities this story. Heather and Leshawna's fight was way better than the canon one. Can't wait to see what's Heather in planning. Noah is awesome. 'Nuff said I wanted to see the elimination. You are evil. >:D Jk So, I know who will probably go home, based on previews, but you may were lying in the previes for beign sneaky. My name  is   Bruno!  21:48, January 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I defintely wasn't lying in any of the previews, but I did say that their details were subject to change. This could happen if, for example, a storyline changes as I'm fleshing it out. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:28, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Fourth Night???? D: -- Laura Is  Evil  00:27, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Fourth Night Polls
Can Heather salvage the challenge for the Eagles? Yes, she’s one tough cookie No, but she’ll make them sweat No, she doesn’t have a chance.

Rate the Katie/Justin scene for steam heat 7. It actually aroused me 6. Muy caliente! 5. Nice ‘n’ steamy 4. Not especially steamy, but a nice character development scene 3. Meh 2. I didn’t like it much 1. Bor-ing! 0. I don’t care how well you write, KatiexJustin is an automatic turn-off

Third Night/Fourth Night is one of the most verse-heavy sections of the entire story. How are you liking the poetry? 5. I love it! 4. It adds color to the story 3. Meh. I can take it or leave it 2. I tend to skip over it 1. I read LTDI in spite of the poetry, not because of it

Fourth Night Discussion
I just finished reading and wanted to be the first to comment! It's about midnight where I am so I'm kinda tired and am going to give a more in depth comment when I'm more awake. I did just wanna go ahead say that I loved the fourth night! I felt a little silly to be duped by Beth's elimination, since I knew from a preview Beth was going to make it farther. But I still fell for her elimination. And I believed Bridgette's dream and had to reread it again just to check myself. I also love the tidbits from literature you add in as well. Sorry for the short comment but when I'm more rested I promise to give a more in depth comment. But I did LOVE the fourth night! Rhonda is the meanest, vilest, ugliest, stankiest, crankiest, won’t even say high to your momma, cheapest, creepiest, arrogant sea witch in all the seas! And I’m not very fond of her either. 05:00, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * If Harold had met with his accident later in the game, Chris might well have cancelled the ceremony, as several Third Night commenters suggested he should have; but because this was the very first elimination ceremony, Chris thought it necessary to go through with a sham ceremony to show the campers (and more to the point, the viewing audience) how the eliminations were going to work. The chance to put one over on the Muskies was a bonus, as far as Chris was concerned. Being basically lazy, Chris is likely to cancel the ceremony if anyone else happens to meet with an accident during a challenge, but you can never be certain of anything where Chris is concerned. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:27, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Wow. This is a good chapter--The Big Sleep has always been one of the challenges that fascinated me the most, and you described it greatly. I liked Courtney and Ezekiel's talk, for some reason. I feel like Brett's mom is exaggerating a bit with the account's dramatic dialogue and theatricality, as I have a feeling nobody except Ezekiel would really be willing to say God in any way other than clear profanity or habit ("Thank God," "Oh my God,", etc.), let alone be allowed to say it by the network, Chris especially. In addition, nice tease with Harold not living. I think I might be able to not deny his death now. Dark clouds all around, lightning rain is  pouring down!  05:31, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know what the broadcast standards are in Canada, but I suspect that not all networks are as anal as CN. Whatever network airs the show in this reimagining probably doesn't object to Chris' use of religious terminology because he's clearly not preaching; and even if the network did object, the Storyteller's insider perspective reveals a lot of stuff that didn't make it into the finished episodes. (One such "deleted scene" will appear several times in coming chapters.) As for the religious reference in the inscription that Noah suggested for Harold's marker, Noah was showing off his literary knowledge rather than his religious beliefs (if any). Oh, and I can assure you that Brett's mother was not exaggerating the theatricality of the elimination ceremony. Chris is a professional actor, as per canon, and this isn't the only time I depict him as a Shatner/Blessed-scale ham.


 * That said, Brett's mother is unquestionably embellishing certain details. (It's called a "legend" for a reason.) She does this for various reasons, not least of which is to fill in gaps in her memory/knowledge, because nobody could realistically remember so much so accurately after so long, but that's dramatic license for you. Bridgette's dream is a good example. If anyone other than Bridgette is telling the story, then she'd be heavily embellishing the dream sequence because it includes certain details (the conversation with Lindsay, seeing the lynx) that Bridgette would probably not have seen fit to mention when describing her dream to her fellow campers or in the confessional. Even if Bridgette is the Storyteller, it's not in the nature of dreams to be remembered with that kind of clarity. In either case, describing the dream sequence so vividly serves to (a) illustrate why Bridgette felt that something paranormal might be at work when she found herself largely living her dream's events; (b) set up Brett (and, by extension, the reader) for the "it was all a dream" twist; and (c) provide character development for the "real" events.


 * It's funny that you should mention the phrase, "Oh my God" as an habitual exclamation. The campers will sometimes say things like "Oh my gosh" (or "Oh, gods" in Bridgette's case), with the stronger "Oh my God" reserved for cases that appear to have a real danger of imminent death. You will see this. More than once. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:42, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, now time for a long comment! I was really glad Beth stayed! I really like Beth, especially here so I was extremely glad she stayed. I didn't really think Tyler had a reason, story-wise, to stay but if he does I'm interested in seeing what it is. Brett asked a pretty good question and the mom gave a pretty good answer. I agree Beth was the most fame hungry of all twenty two contestants. I wonder if Brett is having second thoughts on joining, though I'm sure things have changed.

I like that they made a cross for Harold, it was very sweet. And I love how Izzy burnt in an inscription using a magnifying glass. I also like how you explained the mourning as, "...the campers were mourning Harold not so much because he had been Harold as because he had been one of their own." I don't why, but it really stuck out to me. I also liked how Lindsay still can't remember his name. It shouldn't be funny since this is Harold's (supposed) death but you know Lindsay would.

Bridgette's dream was really convincing. The most believable thing is that everyone in the dream is very accurately portrayed, which I find weird since Bridgette shouldn't know them that well. But I don't how well Bridgette knows everyone and the characters are based on stereotypes so she could have stereotyped them in her dream. In any case, I didn't question that while reading the story. Ezekiel following Bridgette is very believable since Ezekiel does have a crush on Bridgette in the canon.

I love all the romance going on! Lindsay and Justin are really cute though I'm pretty positive Heather will screw it up. I also like Trent and Gwen's romance. I'm hoping it won't end like it did in the canon. I'm glad they got rid of Cody during the run (no offense to Cody). I feel bad that Cody had to walk alone, but I can believe Courtney pushed her self that hard.

I will say that I didn't fall for the Deja Vu scene of Bridgette's dream. I really liked all the little paragraphs explaining what those that had finished had done. XD I have to say I love Izzy. Every line she is in just cracks a smile on my face. I also liked Duncan, DJ and Ezekiel playing five-finger fillet.

I love Eva and LeShawna's friendship and hope at the end of the story they might actually get to harm Chris. I also love Gwen's response to Heather (gosh, their is so much to compliment). I think lacing it with a mild sedative was a smart idea and makes a lot more sense. XD Again I love Izzy! I feel so bad she threw up.

Justin and Katie's scene was pretty steamy, though I like Lindsay and Justin better and I like that he only dates one girl at a time. Your portrayal of Justin might be my favorite. I also liked Ezekiel and Courtney's discussion. It did bring up a lot of good points, though I was rooting for Courtney of course. I love all the poetry you incorporate and think you should keep doing it.

I'm glad Heather decided to have Katie and Sadie join an alliance. I love these two, though I'm pretty sure Heather will discard them rather quickly, or before the merge, or at least one of them. I also can't wait to find out who Noah is crushing on. And Heather having to compete alone...way to leave on a cliffhanger!!!

I can't wait for more! I'm really loving it Gideon and I hate I have to wait till April but it will be worth the wait! Rhonda is the meanest, vilest, ugliest, stankiest, crankiest, won’t even say high to your momma, cheapest, creepiest, arrogant sea witch in all the seas! And I’m not very fond of her either. 03:43, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Bridgette had been in camp four days at the time of her dream, so she would have had time to get to know some people's major mannerisms reasonably well. If the feedback I've gotten is any indication, Bridgette's dream fooled a lot of people, which of course was the intent, although it was also a good opportunity to develop Bridgette's and Geoff's characters. The only real clue that something was amiss was Ezekiel's "ain't got nothin'" line, which isn't really consistent with how he speaks either in this story or in the canon (insofar as he speaks at all in the canon). Conversely, the deja vu scene wasn't really intended to fool readers so much as to make them wonder, as well as to further develop Geoff and Bridgette. Indeed, this episode is all about character development, just like its canon counterpart.


 * Eva and LeShawna aren't really friends at this point, although their relations are certainly cordial. They are, however, counterparts, with each being the physically strongest girl on her team. In this case, the reason Eva suggested teaming up with LeShawna was because she was angry and wanted to teach Chris a lesson, and had seen signs that LeShawna was having similar thoughts.


 * As for Lindsay misremembering Harold's name, just because it was a solemn and dignified occasion didn't mean that Lindsay was able to stop being Lindsay. Speaking of name butchery, did you notice that she got Justin's name right?


 * I previewed the Courtney/Ezekiel scene last year, and it remained pretty much the same. I did add a reference to the sedative that Chris put in the food to speed the challenge along, as that was an 11th-hour idea. As for the elimination twist, you're not the only one who's glad Beth got to stay. Somebody, I don't recall who, remarked earlier that she has the makings of a breakout character. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:05, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Like Rhonda, I thought Harold had been found alive. :o I got confused when the campers woke up and started that day all over again. xD And I also fell for Beth's elimination. I'm glad she gets to stick around longer. :) The poetry adds to the scenes, and makes for nice little breaks from the actual story. Definitely keep them in. And I really liked your ending to this night's story. X) Also, very nicely written Bean Byproduct scene. We both got tired of all the fart jokes in TDI, but this writing of it makes it likeable and funny. I liked your depiction of Harold in this episode, and now I miss him. ;( Also, your memorial of Harold was inspired! And I really liked that you let Eva place Harold's marker. That was beautiful and very team-building. And Chef's conversation with Chris about the memorial was perfect! :D Your characterizations are wonderful, and I'm ready for your next Night already!! :) JustLittleOlMe Lil   Jay JLOM   Lady Gideon  04:03, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

I honestly thought Harold was alive :o I'm glad no one got eliminated (well, other than Harold......) It's kinda sad :( Love the chapter! Bridgette's dream, then her de ja vu, Heather's alliance, Noah's secret crush, and most of all, the development you gave Ezekiel and a little of Courtney. <font color="SpringGreen">Tdi <font color="Silver">NYAN CAT FTW<font color="Red">Fan o Gaga 05:11, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * If I had split the chapter like I considered doing, then the shortened Fourth Night would have been pretty much Bridgette's chapter. Although she did have some good bits, she really didn't do all that much in the first three chapters, so it was nice to give her a big scene. I'm glad that I could likewise give Geoff and Justin (also backgrounders in chapters 1-3, albeit Justin more than Geoff) plenty of screentime, because I want to make LTDI more of an ensemble story than the original was. I have plans for Ezekiel as well, since he got so little character development in the canon that fanfic writers have a lot of room to run with him. (Of course, that doesn't stop some writers from eliminating him early just to be rid of him.) I don't think it's giving away too much to say that you'll see more of the budding city mouse/country mouse friendship between Ezekiel and Duncan. And yes, I realize that I was kind of hard on poor Harold, but such are the demands of drama. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:37, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I finished reading this a few days ago but I have to say I really liked it. I enjoyed the major plot development with Bridgette. I just really like where it's going. I was sad though when it ended because I wanted to see who would win. Is it wrong that I like the idea of Ezekiel X Courtney? XD -- If your undies are tight, <font color="#D2691E">it's uncomfortable.   If you're a boy and your bra is tight, I'm uncomfortable  03:08, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, you know how it is--I have to put a cliffhanger somewhere. If I'd shown you who won, you'd have been sad because I didn't show you who got eliminated. In any case, the whole point of a cliffhanger is to leave the audience wanting more. As for Zeke X Courtney, people have done stranger things than that in the TD fandom. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:13, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

(Note: the following comment originally appeared on my talk page. I'm responding here because it raises some points of general interest. --Gideon)

Sorry I never commented on Fourth Night! I loved it, but I didn't comment right after reading it and then ended up not commenting at all. I thought Duncan teaching them how to play five-finger fillet was really in-character for him and definitely not a great idea. That's definitely a camp game, though. I played that game a couple times when I used to go to camp, except we called it nerve instead. The Justin/Katie scene was kind of raunchy, wasn't it? XD Nothing blatantly sexual happened, but the scene was really sexually charged. I thought it was a really interesting and convincing portrayal of why Justin appeals to the female masses. I think it's sweet that Justin seems so genuinely committed to Lindsay, though. That relationship would certainly set up a logical reasoning as to why Heather randomly chose to eliminate Justin fourth in the canon TDI. I know you said the elimination order could be different than the canon, I don't think that necessarily means that there won't be any similarities. <font color="Orange">Layla <font color="Salmon">among other nicknames 02:54, March 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I prefer to call it "racy" myself, since it sounds a little classier, but whatever. I've noted with interest the wide range of responses in the poll for rating the hotness of the Justin/Katie scene. I suspect that the girls (the older girls, anyway) generally find the scene hotter than the boys do, because its eroticism is definitely geared to female sensibilities. Essentially, it's a romance novel scene in an unromantic situation, although I'm guessing that the pregnancy imagery at the end (what, you didn't actually think the "distended belly" mention was random, did you?) probably isn't a romance novel standard. That's as may be, it was mainly a character development scene for Justin, and I thought it worked pretty well considering that it was a last-minute addition. In addition to showing that Justin's power over girls extends beyond his looks, his scene with Katie shows him to be rather more principled than his canon counterpart. Whereas the canon Justin isn't above using his looks to manipulate people, the LTDI Justin has more of an "I must use my powers only for good" mindset. And I don't think it's giving away too much to say that Justin is, indeed, genuinely committed to Lindsay at this point, however shallow his reasons. (You may recall his First Night intro, where he thought that Lindsay might be "The One" because she was the first girl he'd ever seen whom he considers to be as gorgeous as he is.)


 * Duncan's knife game is called by various names, but I used "five-finger fillet" because it's the most descriptive. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  00:07, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I suddenly realized today that I'd never read part 2 of The Fourth Night! I'm glad I got it read and voted in the polls before your next post. :D <font color="mediumslateblue">JustLittleOlMe  Lil   Jay JLOM   Jay-Z   Lady Gideon  16:13, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

FIfth Night Polls
Did Owen deserve to be voted off? Yes No

If not Owen, then whom? Gwen Someone else

How did you like the Homerization of the dodgeball match? This is the sort of thing I read your stories for It’s unique, I’ll give it that Too many damned words!

Can the Muskies rally? Yes it’ll be just like in the original No, but they’ll make it interesting No, they’re toast

Fifth Night Discussion
I was the first to vote in the polls just so you know in case I don't make first comment.

I was very excited to see what happened and you didn't disappoint (not that I thought you would). Felt bad Courtney got out but she just couldn't handle it.

I liked how Sadie was thinking so strategically. Out of the two she is stated to think with her head, and you have shown that wonderfully. And I liked the Jen 6teen reference.

I was sad Heather didn't last, but factually it didn't make sense for her to. And Chris's information about teams not hanging together was a shocker to them, but not as much to me as we know Chris. Duncan's shakiness, was a bit of odd and hooked me into him but I'll get to that and the teams not allowed to interact in a bit.

Poor Owen. All he wanted was seconds and now you're on the chopping block. I did think Sadie's crush on Owen was rather cute. I did like Sadie's thinking of saving Owen, again showing her true brain power. She really did get the reward for best portrayal of a canon character and you just keep showing that.

I understand Heather's reasoning skills and hope her plan can help send home Justin, just because I love your portrayal of Heather. Though I do love Justin, he and Lindsay are adorable and I totally love them together.

I love how you had the final 2 be the bottom two. It was just great irony. In the end, I will miss Owen, which is something I never thought I could say. But he was portrayed greatly too. I did love how you panned the show and gave the background about the five nights a week and about Blaineley. Very clever.

I really like this alliance of four and hope they can succeed in voting someone off. Heather is still Heather and I remember that rule about borrowing things and I'm glad Heather at least gave a reason. I'm glad Courtney is keeping a close eye on Zeke as I think it's a good idea and I want him to change.

I love Lindsay reply to Noah, it definitely got a crack out of me. I liked the better explanation of the rules, and I have to say that I loved the way you wrote the dodgeball scene like an actual war. It was incredibly awesome!

I liked Eva's paying strategy, it was very humorous. Tyler was still really bad and I'm wondering if anyone is thinking of wanting he was actually eliminated than Beth who was spared. I like how Noah still didn't compete though I'm hoping that won't cause his elimination. And Chris' evil surprise was really great.

I liked Gwen's strategy for winning by scavenging, though I'm not surprised Izzy got her. I loved Katie and Sadie's domination but I really loved Bridgette's getting the neo Gemini twins (love the nickname) out. And Cody was really awesome to with way of his getting DJ out.

I love Courtney's leading skills and Duncan's smoking habit coming to light is shocking and interesting. And I loved the talk of sex, both sorta of talking about crack pairings but also bringing up the mom we all know about.

I loved Heather getting even with Noah too, enjoying how we understand Heather's feelings, making her snarky comment about sports being his forte even funnier. LeShawna and Eva's lines to each other were great and I really loved them talking about their pasts. And poor Lindsay, but I loved Justin unleashing his anger and winning. Those two are so cute!

Really great chapter Gideon, but I hate how I have to wait, though the wait is always worth it. Rhonda is the meanest, vilest, ugliest, stankiest, crankiest, won’t even say high to your momma, cheapest, creepiest, arrogant sea witch in all the seas! And I’m not very fond of her either. 05:42, April 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was kind of hard on Lindsay (and I’m not done with her yet), but Eva was overdue for a temper scene. I’m not totally heartless, though. After all, I did give Lindsay the distinction of scoring the match’s first kill in order to show that, while she’d have trouble outthinking a rock, she’s not totally useless like she was for the first half of the series.


 * As for the irony of the elimination and the Bottom Two, I think the real irony is that Owen’s being the show’s go-to character for bathroom humor was supposed to help make him a fan favorite in the series, but in my version it led directly to his early elimination. (Be honest—you weren’t surprised that I could make a fart joke dramatically important, were you?)


 * I did struggle for a time with the question of how to reveal to the other campers the fact that Owen had (possibly) blown the challenge for his team, because the only eyewitness to be explicitly mentioned was Heather, who wouldn’t be present at the lodge. Eventually, I hit on the idea of having Hatchet reveal it, since he had the night shift and so would have been the one to officially call Gwen and Trent out. One thing then led to another, because Hatchet probably doesn’t care enough about the outcome to air a camper’s dirty laundry without being prompted. He didn’t intend to rat out Owen, but he also didn’t care who might overhear.


 * This also played into the need for Owen to realize that he was at risk, because somebody needed to be a fifth vote against Gwen, and a nervous Owen seemed the most logical choice. (I had originally planned to reveal the vote totals in dialogue, instead of just in the notes, but oh well. While not explicitly stated in the scene, Chris did tell the campers that it was a 6-5 vote.)


 * As for Sadie, she may not be as preoccupied with strategy as Heather is, but she’s smart enough to take an opportunity that falls into her lap. She did genuinely want to please Heather and, as Katie pointed out, she had an ulterior motive into the bargain. In any case, the strategy scene showed that Katie and Sadie aren’t a hive mind all the time. (Just most of the time, as the dodgeball match illustrated.) Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:08, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Just caught up with the Fifth Night. I absolutely love how you're describing the dodgeball matches. You've managed to make me actually enjoy Sadie as a character. The LAL reference killed me. Justin avenging Lindsay was adorable, by the way. I'm loving every moment of this! <font color="#600000">~ Kgman04! ♪ <font color="#A00000">Talk! ♫ <font color="#600000">Contribs! 17:55, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm getting that a lot with Sadie, as you might imagine. Clearly, I made the right move in putting her up for consideration in the Wiki Awards. The canon Sadie was supposed to be reasonably smart, although we never really got to see that in the series. Well, you got to see it here.


 * As for Lindsay/Justin ("Lustin?" Well, that would reflect the general shallowness of their attraction), they also seem to have become popular, and that might result in their getting a little more screentime. The elimination order is set, and has been for almost a year, but if I get word that certain characters are becoming reader favorites, then those favorites might get a higher profile in the form of additional scenes. Fifth Night had some of this for both Sadie and "Lustin".


 * If you've ever read The Iliad (or The Odyssey, for that matter), you may have noticed that Homer spends a lot of time describing material things. For example, he doesn't just say that Teucer has a bow, he mentions that the bow is made of horn. He might also mention that a set of greaves (essentially shinguards) has buckles made of silver. In the dodgeball match, that tendency is the basis for tidbits such as the description of what the balls are made of, or of how Tyler acquired his tracksuit. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  00:08, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

The lyrical quality of the first part of the dodgeball match was mesmerizing! I LOVED it! And your characterizations of these kids is spot-on, imo! I can almost see them behaving that way. I just saw the Lindsay-Justin together-name above! xDDD How totally apropos!! It suits. They specifically deserve the Homer-esque style of writing you've given this chapter, and it really shone when Lyndsay was hit by that final ball, and Justin rage-fought to protect her. I'm also loving Duncan's inappropriate habits finally kicking him around for this show. Also, thank you for Courtney being civil towards Tyler, even though he couldn't throw well if his life depended on it! xDD Beautiful chapter!

I didn't think that the show's dodgeball episode could be improved upon, simply because it was my favorite episode of the entire series. With your lack of time and space constraints, however, you've done a remarkable job on it! Keep up the awesome work, Gid! ^_^ <font color="mediumslateblue">JustLittleOlMe  Lil   Jay JLOM   Jay-Z  Jay-cobb   Jayneneh  Lady Gideon  04:41, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sixth Night Polls
Is Trent doomed? Yes. Cody will give in to his jealousy No. Cody will stay strong Yes. Cody won’t help Heather, but she won’t need his help No. Cody will help Heather, but the plan will fail for another reason

How did you like Noah’s speech? 5. My head asplode! 4. You should write more poetry 3. It’s fitting for a bookworm 2. Hey, it got him into the challenge. 1. Stick to prose

Sixth Night Discussion
Sixth Night is significantly shorter than previous chapters, but is actually within my target range. Nights 1-5 were 10,000 - 12,000 words each, Sixth Night is around 7,000 words, and my target range is 5,000 - 8,000 words. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:04, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

I just finished a little bit ago, and I loved it!

I can't remember exactly, but I think this is the first mention of the mom's marital status, which seems to be that she is not married. Courtney was very in character, and I liked that she didn't want to give up leadership to Duncan, but that she is willing to do what must be down. Duncan's plan was pretty genius, and the details seemed pretty smart.

I love Katie and Sadie in LTDI, and I loved their teamwork. I feel bad for Sadie, she tried to catch the ball and she gets a limp. I think you have captured what was stated about Sadie; out of the twins, she is the one who thinks with her head. This is kind of thrown out in a lot of cases in fanfictions, but you let it shine.

I loved Chris' interferences, and how he is the Lord of Wawanakwa. After the ear kissing, I felt it was pretty funny Cody was the one to talk to Noah, but it makes sense. Again, Cody mentions Sadie has trying her hardest even though she can't do much. Another reason Sadie is so great here. “You’re not giving her enough credit.” That is so true of alot of fans of Total Drama. Is it wrong I want Sadie to win?

I was also glad to see Lindsay's gymnastics skills. Unlike the writers, you read the Total Drama bios. I was glad Cody and Noah were the ones to come up with the idea on how to defeat the strategy. And go Noah for wanting to do something!

I loved your poem, it flowed very nicely, and certainly seemed like a good speech before battle. My favorite part was;

"In times to come, when people talk about This day and how we earned our fame and honor, Whether as gloried victors or as valiant Vanquished, we shall recall our deeds of yore."

I don't really know why, it just was. But overall it was very good. Courtney's speech wasn't as poetic, but I still liked it, especially when she says for Harold. Eva vs. Justin was a great conclusion, and I was afraid you would leave off there, and am glad you didn't.

Zeke cheering for Eva was awesome, and I'm glad he is starting to be more respectable. Hope that continues. In the end, I was in favor of Eva in the end, simply because I love Eva in LTDI, so I was very glad when she won.

The cliffhanger was great! Will Cody work with Heather? It drives me crazy that we may not know. Though I do want you to play up the suspense because it is a great idea!

Can't wait for more (though I have to). Again, great job with the poem and the characterization.  Aw, your simple innocence is one of the most attractive things about you! You're like a kitten! A kitten that doesn't speak Japanese!  04:01, July 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, the mother's marital status was first mentioned in the Second Night preamble. Although each preamble is largely the same, I'm trying to throw in little variations like that, much as The 1,001 Nights sometimes does.


 * I inflicted that injury on Sadie mainly to add color and emphasize just how overmatched the Eagles were at that point. Sadie started the next game, implying that she was able to walk it off. And no, it's not wrong to want Sadie to win. At the moment, she's one of only four campers with more than two votes in the winner guessing poll, with most of those votes being recorded before she even became prominent. Lindsay's gymnastics background, as per the show's noncanon text bios, also had no dramatic importance (which doesn't mean that it might not down the road) and was there for color and character development. More to the point, its purpose was to emphasize that Lindsay, despite her mental shortcomings, is not useless.


 * Cody and Noah didn't so much find a way to defeat Duncan's strategy as enable the Eagles to hold their own against it and to copy it effectively. As you know, the basic strategy was the same as in the canon. I just fleshed it out, largely to showcase Courtney's leadership skill. (Same with her "win one for the Gipper" moment.) I hit on the idea of organized patterns because the patterns we saw on the show seemed too easy to dodge, and it provided a logical reason for the Eagles to have trouble copying the strategy effectively.


 * I wrote the Eva vs. Justin scene almost two years ago, and in fact that was the very first scene I wrote for the dodgeball match. It would have been a good place to put a cliffhanger--perhaps as good in its own way as the temptation of Cody--and I decided against it mainly because it would have made for a marginal chapter length. (Besides, the temptation of Cody made for a better poll question.)


 * As for Zeke, it's a long road for a guy like him to become acceptable to "polite society". He's not going to change overnight, which is why Courtney is keeping him close. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:12, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Wow! Rhonda said it all perfectly! :D I truly love all the beauty of the "Greek War Poetry" you've turned this into. It is quite lovely. Kudos!! ;) Jay JLOM <font color="Fuchsia">Any good or kindness I can show to any human being, let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.-Author Unknown 05:44, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

I loved this chapter a lot! I finally got to finishing it on the beach today, I just sat there and read, and it was so much fun to read all the chapters. It is like the first season, but in some sort of epic novel that exaggerates every moment, turning each chapter into a dramatic cliffhanger that makes you dying to read the next. It is so much fun to read! <font face="Trebuchet MS">-- <span style="color:turquoise; background-color:green; padding:2px; font-size:8pt; border:thin solid black;">Bridgette_dj10 <span style="color:turquoise; background-color:green; padding:2px; font-size:8pt; border:thin solid black;">Talk <span style="color:turquoise; background-color:green; padding:2px; font-size:8pt; border:thin solid black;">Blogs <span style="color:turquoise; background-color:green; padding:2px; font-size:8pt; border:thin solid black;">Contributions <span style="color:turquoise; background-color:green; padding:2px; font-size:8pt; border:thin solid black;">Editcount 21:46, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I know I didn't comment on this earlier, but I did read the latest installment of LTDI this weekend, despite not commenting until now. As usual, this chapter was fantastic, especially Courtney and Duncan's battle tactics, and Noah's reasoning for not playing/his poetic speech advocating for why he should coach his team. I take it your original poem was Noah's speech, which, as previously stated, was fantastic, and this is coming from a fairly well-versed poetry reader!

I also see Cody's honor/scruples are in question here, with his potential Faustian pact with Heather. Personally, I would be satisfied with either outcome, as I am both a huge canon Trent fan (at least from TDI), and a self-proclaimed strategist who would jump at the opportunity to lead a Heather-esque alliance, only better executed. Either way, it should be exciting to see what happens, so I'll keep looking forward to the next installment!- The Anonymous User 05:15, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Seventh Night Polls
Heather’s really put her foot in it this time. Is she heading for the Dock of Shame? Yes. No amount of fast talk is going to get her out of this No. If her allies back her, she only needs one other vote No. Courtney won’t get the perfect score she needs

If Heather is eliminated, do you expect her to return at some point? Yes. They’re not getting rid of her that easily No. She’d be damaged goods

If Heather is eliminated, what will happen to her alliance? It will become a social club that doesn’t actually do anything Someone else will join and become the new leader Sadie will take over and do a better job than Heather Sadie will take over and do a worse job than Heather Sadie will take over and be corrupted by power, essentially becoming another Heather

Seventh Night Discussion
Oh goodness, that chapter was great! I just finished reading it and I love it! It really brought back good memories of TDI, but I actually may like it better than the actual talent show episode! Sadly, I have school tomorrow and I'm already up way too late, but I will give a lengthy comment tomorrow! I just wanted you to know how great that chapter was. IT WAS SO GREAT. I can't decide on part was more interesting and how unsure I am of what will happen next. Heather going seems so unlikely, but if anyone can pull it off it is you. Besides, Harold dying seemed unlikely, and it seems to have happened. And what will happen if she is voted off? Your polls hint at what could, and they are all interesting directions. I will comment more soon, but for now I need sleep. If I can even sleep anymore.  Aw, your simple innocence is one of the most attractive things about you! You're like a kitten! A kitten that doesn't speak Japanese!  04:05, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Another excellent chapter, Gideon!! I felt like Trent was doomed the moment Cody agreed to vote for him, and though it turned out that feeling was justified, it was a nice twist nonetheless. Speaking of twists, I'm loving the as-of-yet unresolved one against Heather - is it bad that I really want her to be voted off simply because I want to see what you'll do with the story without TDI's famous villainess? Still, reason tells me that she won't go easily - especially if she can keep her alliance loyal - but with a story like LTDI, nothing is certain, so I suppose I'll just have to wait and see. Finally, I love the new camp-wide expression of "Sunshine told me". How dare they paint Sunshine as such a gossip! I mean... they're right, but still... it's just the principle of the thing...



~ <font color="Red">Love <font color="OrangeRed">and <font color="DarkOrange">Ravioli,  <font color="Gold">Sunshine  ♥ 18:31, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * There will be a few other eliminations of this type, where all the real drama is in lining up the votes and I treat the ceremony itself as a fait accompli. And I thought you'd like my treatment of Sunshine in this chapter. I don't know offhand if any of her previous appearances expressly depict her as gossipy (TWE might), but it does seem a natural extension of her tendency to act without thought for the consequences. And I love you fanart. The only reason why I might decide against putting them on the story page is that, at this point in the story, the campers still assume that Sunshine is supposed to be human. They can't see her, after all, and Izzy hasn't given them a physical description. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  22:15, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

The one thing I feel I can say is that this is so, so, so much darker than I ever thought it would be. Heck, even the humor is dirty. I'll be honest, not a huge fan of the way you portrayed Noah this episode, but it did make for some interesting courses of action by the campers, and you were at least aware enough to lampshade the strange pairing of Noah and Katie. Well, since all my favorite characters have either been majorly reimagined, voted out, or killed in hiding, I guess I'll pull for Bridgette, even though I know she'll be an unlucky soul. ALL WE WANNA DO IS EAT YOUR BRAINS It's nothing personal 19:21, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, now that you mention it, this did turn out to be one of the story's darker chapters, especialy with respect to poor Bridgette--first mourning the interns in advance, and then fearing (however briefly) that she's just killed a teammate. (The latter really illustrates how a little extra detail can profoundly affect a scene's tone.) As for Noah, it might be helpful to me if you could be more specific about what you don't like about the way I portray him. I thought that I was keeping him reasonably close to the canon version, with the most notable departure being his inclination to show off how well read he is.


 * Regarding the apparently poor track record of your favorite characters, it is a curse of the reimagining story that the reader's favorites in the reimagining tend to be pretty much the same as their favorites in the canon, which is probably a major reason why you don't see people do rankings blogs for reimaginings. Oh, well, maybe you can find some new favorites. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:24, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, now my long comment! So Cody actually went with the plan. I have to say this was a great twist and I liked it! I'm interested to see what Heather will have Cody do to pay her back. I can see and agree with why Heather sees romantic pairings as alliances. Friendships and relationships are basically alliances, except they usually weren't formed to be alliances. The friends/couple vote together to ensure the other doesn't go home.

I like Cody and Noah's interactions and their brain alliance. Brains for the win! And Noah likes Katie? I was kinda of hoping for Heather and Noah, but I do like Katie and Noah as a couple. I will say that I like Sadie more than Katie, and in my opinion I feel like most people (but not all people of course) like Katie better because she is more attractive and better to pair couples. But I don't dislike Katie. I like how you lampshaded the reason most people disagree with Katie and Noah is because they are too different.

Poor Gwen and Trent. I do have to say that Gwen had fallen hard, but that is actually realistic and something teens often do. It seems like the mom isn't Gwen, since she doesn't get boys who play guitars and Gwen does. I really enjoyed the scene of LeShawna comforting Gwen, you write LeShawna's speech so clever and witty, I love it! It makes me love LeShawna even more. I particularly like her line, “A broken heart’s a bad guide." And I like her nickname Shawnee. It makes sense for her.

More redcoats have arrived to the island! I liked how Chris started with and gets 13 more new interns. It is funny Beth is the superstitious one, since the tiki idol she found was cursed. I'm sure you realize that. I couldn't agree more with Bridgette, and I loved her confessional. Bridgette is just another character you write really well. I do however have one question; what do you mean "a natural to wear one of the white hats"? I'm not familiar with the term and I tried searching it, but it didn't help.

I loved Duncan and Eva's interactions. I hope Duncan doesn't rub too much off on Zeke. I also like how Courtney and Heather had a little spat. Looking back on it, was it hinting at Heather's possible elimination? And the fact Courtney may cause it?

I liked the added details you gave to the different talents, such as Bridgette doing contortionist tricks. And I particularly like Eva's talent. Poor Beth, getting chosen over for Izzy. I liked how Izzy understood and let her join her. Maybe Beth, Izzy and Sunshine will all become friends! Speaking of which, I like the way people explain "Sunshine told me". It is simply hysterical. I'm going to have to find a way to reference that.

Heather is taking charge again! I really like your portrayal of Heather. I'm going to be sad if she leaves, but it could open up all kinds of possibilities, and shows no one is really safe. At first the intern I thought helping Heather was the intern based on DJ's prototype design (which I believe influenced B's future design). I found it hysterical it was Lightning.

I love Katie and Sadie as piano players. That just works. And I'm not surprised at Noah's talent either. And Lindsay and Justin as "family friendly" pole dancers? I can see that. I loved they worked together in a tango. I can only imagine what it would be like.

The Cody and Gwen scene was nice. I can see Cody and Gwen as good friends if Cody wasn't such a stalker (they kind of were in TDI but TDWT ruined any genuine feeling friendship for me). It is interesting that the contestants are all ready thinking of returning contestants. I'm interested to see if that happens. I wonder if it will be Harold if anyone does return...

And of course Bridgette has to injure Courtney again. I'm actually glad it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I'm actually glad her violin survived, though I was expecting you to reference to Courtney and the Violin of Despair. And I love the break of the fourth wall you did with Scott as an intern!

The talent show was fantastic! Everyone's talents were great. I love Zeke showing off his bullwhipping techniques. Again, a talent that just works for the character. And I just realized a clever foreshadowing you had done to Izzy and Beth's talent show accident;

“And now, for the Eagle’s second act, it’s time for Justin and Lindsay to burn the floor!

“Promises,” Izzy quipped to Beth.

It was really Izzy and Beth who burnt the floor (among Lindsay's hair). But Justin and Lindsay did a great dance. I love the costumes they wear and how you described everything about their dance. And I love how you described Beth and Izzy's performance as well. And the 'finale' to their performance was quite interesting. It was really interesting to read. Poor Lindsay, her hair ruined. I'm worried how Justin might react...

I recognized the title of Heather's dramatic reading! Very clever Gideon. I liked how you went into detail about how Heather read, and you certainly made it seem like a much more humiliating read that way. Too bad Harold and his ant farm isn't here.

Man, Courtney has guts. Which I love, because that is the kind of person I think Courtney is. I'm looking forward to see if she makes a perfect score. Like I said in my earlier comment, Heather possibly going would be so shocking! I'm interested to see where this goes. The polls certainly hint at several different possibilities.

I can't wait to see more Gideon! I'm dying to find out Heather's fate!  Aw, your simple innocence is one of the most attractive things about you! You're like a kitten! A kitten that doesn't speak Japanese!  03:22, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Heather’s “hookup = alliance” mindset and LeShawna’s nickname are both canon. (LeShawna once called herself “Shawnee” after a confrontation with Eva.) As for the possibility of getting Heather hooked up, she’s not looking for a boyfriend (which, of course, doesn’t mean that she might not find one anyway) for the same reason that she doesn’t want her lackeys hooking up: she sees it as a dangerous distraction, not least because of its potential to create conflicting loyalty. (Eva, as you may recall, took a similar position in her Second Night scene with LeShawna.) Of course, feigning interest in a boy to gain his cooperation is another matter, and it’s somewhat surprising that the canon Heather never did this.


 * As you probably noticed, the “LeShawna comforts Gwen” scene is a greatly expanded version of the canon scene that opens the hide and seek episode. The main reason I put in so much more detail is because my version of the scene comes so much earlier in the story arc, so there’s more character development to do. Most notably, my version marks the start of the Gwen-LeShawna friendship.


 * It’s “redshirts”, not “redcoats”. We’re not talking about the British Army here. That’s as may be, “white hat/ black hat” refers to the convention in Western movies where the bad guys wore black hats and the good guys wore white (or at least light-colored) hats, presumably to help the audience keep track of who was who in the action scenes. Second Night made a similar reference to the producers pegging Eva for a “black hat”. What this means is that Bridgette is getting a “hero” edit and Eva is getting a “villain” edit. Speaking of Eva, her conflict with Duncan is the most intense in camp at this point, mainly because Eva thinks that Duncan is a worse sexist than Ezekiel. Ezekiel may see girls as weak, or at least better suited to some roles than to others, but Duncan (so far) appears to see them mainly as objects.


 * Although it wasn’t my main reason for including him, having Lightning cameo as an intern is also a nice development gag, since proto-Lightning appeared as an intern in TDWT. As for Scott also having a cameo, I don’t think it’s giving away too much to say that other TDROTI newcomers will appear throughout the story. They’ll all be interns. (I’ve previously told others that Dawn will appear at some point.)


 * Cody’s theme song is one of those that I couldn’t post right away because certain things had to happen in the story before people would understand why it fit. They’ll (somewhat) understand now, though, with the allusion that Cody is willing to do just about anything for Gwen. (Which, come to mention it, really isn’t all that different from his canon obsession.) The incident that led me to choose Cody’s theme occurs in a later chapter, but that’s another story for another time.


 * The scene where Bridgette injures Courtney is another example, similar to Heather/LeShawna on the diving cliff, of how changing/adding a few details can profoundly alter the scene’s tone. I hadn’t really considered trying to work in a Violin of Despair reference, possibly because a later chapter does reference it. As for Courtney’s violin surviving, Courtney had to perform her act to set the stage for the next elimination, not to mention that that her “one string” spiel was a good way to illustrate her skill and self-confidence; so if her violin had been destroyed (which I did consider doing), the producers would have been able to get her a replacement. That might have been a good place to work in a Violin of Despair reference, come to mention it.


 * It’s too bad that Spenny’s not around to see my reference to his story. He and the likewise departed Gigi were my closest wiki friends in my early days here, which is partly why I included the reference in the first place. (Ditto with the LAL reference in the dodgeball match.) In fact, before I changed Katie and Sadie’s act from comedy to music, Sadie would have broken the Fourth Wall at the end of their act by saying, in a gravelly voice, “Good night, Spenny, wherever you are.” (The reference being to Jimmy Durante’s closing catchphrase, “Good night, Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.”)


 * I’ll admit that I’ve been rather hard on poor Lindsay, first with a bloody injury in the dodgeball match and now getting her hair ruined. Eighth Night will deal at length with the fallout from the latter incident. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:36, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking Courtney's concert will win the challenge, which will definitely give Heather lots of problems. If Heather were to be voted out, which I doubt due to her alliance, that Katie and Sadie together would become the alliance powers, with Lindsay as their vice-power. Interestingly, now Gwen "owns" Cody's votes for a time, since Heather is sure to vote against Gwen for sheer spite. Happily, Heather is currently unaware of Gwen's new ally. I'm looking forward to this next vote! :) Jay JLOM <font color="Red">Things turn out for the best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out - John Wooden 09:02, November 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * With LeShawna as a friend, and with both Cody and Katie owing her debts of honor, Gwen has the building blocks for a powerful alliance. The question now is, "Is Gwen enough of a strategist to see that?" Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  22:06, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't really see Gwen as a strategist, but Cody just might be, and LeShawna perhaps, too. Wow! Now I'm really looking forward to this next chapter! :D <font color="mediumslateblue">JustLittleOlMe  Lil   Jay JLOM   Jay-Z  Jay-cobb   Jayneneh  Lady Gideon  02:17, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Eighth Night Polls
Did Bridgette deserve to be eliminated? Yes No

If not Bridgette, then whom? Beth Courtney Izzy Someone else

Who wrote the love note? (Choices are alphabetical, so don’t try to read anything into the order) Cody D.J. Duncan Ezekiel Geoff Justin Noah Tyler An intern

Who was the note meant for? (Choices are alphabetical) Beth Courtney Eva Gwen Heather Izzy Katie LeShawna Lindsay Sadie An intern

Eighth Night Discussion
Sorry, Bridgette fans. I'd have liked to keep her around longer, but the storylines dictated otherwise. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:19, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

I really enjoy the way you've written how Izzy speaks. :D  She blathers on and on in a free-thought mind dump and never seems to stop. xDD  You just close the quotes after an elipses. ( ...")  That's SO Izzy!  =)  And your visual description of Heather and her hench-gals is wonderful!  Lindsay sounds heavenly, and Katie and Sadie should get careers as hair stylists.  I believe the note is from Justin to Lindsay, although Justin doesn't really seem the type to have written it.  Still, he hardly speaks, so we don't really know how educated he really is.  I might change my poll votes on a whim in the future.  And that was really sweet of Zeke to sing that song.  He's breaking out of his shell.  :)  Awesome polls, too.  Also, I'm not sure that Bridgette was any more deserving than anyone else on her team to go, but Eva did make an excellent observation.   Good job.  :)  <font color="Green">Jay JLOM <font color="Fuchsia">If you think you are beaten, you are; If you think that you dare not, you don't; ... -Author Unknown 22:03, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

I've just added that Izzy should've been voted off, but she's way too much fun for me to want her to be voted off, so that's my new poll answer. ;)  <font color="Blue">Jay JLOM <font color="Red">If you'd like to win but think you can't, it's almost certain you won't. ... -Author Unknown 18:19, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

First I'm sooooooooooooooooooo sorry I haven't commented yet! I don't know where my head is :P And it's awful because everything so far has been great! I've been caught up but I've been trying to balance lots of stuff. But better late than never I suppose. Hopefully this won't happen again.

I enjoyed reading Heather's thoughts as she sweated it out, it certainly built on the already escalating tension. It'd be interesting to see what would have happened had Courtney prevailed. Unfortunately for Courtney she had not. It was an amazing effort and I kind of wanted her to prevail, but Heather leaving now maybe too soon.

I also love Eva and Zeke little scene there as they help Courtney. It makes me really hope for Ezekiel. XD Although I do love how Chris mentions that only the dude succeeded and that probably wasn't helping Zeke's opinion. Wonder if he and Chef have made a bet on whether Zeke changes or not.

And I'm guessing Chris' dig on Heather not being genre savvy here was a bit of an allusion to your own feelings on Heather's canon portrayal or feelings on the incident. And sweet Chef, he's really a good guy underneath it all. He's just doing his job. It looks like Heather still in some form of power, especially since no one has the courage to confront her. Bet Trent would if he was still there.

As for the Muskie's choice, it's hard to say. I don't think Courtney deserved to go, especially after she risked all that to try and give her team a win. They need to give props where props are due. XD I love how Izzy fistbumps Sunshine. LTDI's portrayal of Izzy makes remember just how much I love her! I also love this friendship between Beth and Alejandro. I kind of want them to be a couple now...

I like how Zeke sticks up for Courtney. It's interesting how different and almost ironic (such as Zeke and Courtney being friends when they were the bottom 2) LTDI is from canon TDI and yet the characterizations feel genuine. If it were me I'd vote off Izzy but I glad she didn't go home because I love seeing her!

Another intern cameo, this time from Cameron! I do love how you do the elimination ceremonies, you milk the drama so great it has amazing payoff! The confessionals are really great, and I like how many of them are similarly worded. I also like how Izzy mentioned Heather's hair should've got the damage. Another canon reference I assume ;) So sad Bridgette had to leave but better her than Beth or Izzy (though I knew Beth would be safe thanks to a preview :P)

Gwen's definitely is in a good position game wise. With Katie telling her everything she may bring down Heather yet. I completely agree with Brett's reaction. Epic karma indeed! And now knowing someone will die at Boney Island, I agree, best Bridgette left while she could. She was just too nice.

Poor Lindsay, so innocent and sweet. I love Lindsay for that. Also glad to see Heather's being a little smart by giving Lindsay a makeover instead of going too far. I think the makeover scene was really sweet and really helped lighten up the mood (especially with what is to come, mainly for poor Katie and Sadie). I really like the happy squeal part XD

Also Staci cameo :D I liked Cody and Noah's reaction to Katie and Sadie's new look. Hmm and I wonder who Tyler has a crush on. I might guess Eva, just for the irony. These looks sound really great, I particularly like Lindsay's and how she is now more of an 'earth goddess'.

And a love poem? My first thought was that the love letter was like the one LeShawna got in canon. Based on the poetry I'm assuming its written by Noah for Katie. They're so cute :3 And the two people who went missing...my first guess was Sadie and Katie, which was right.

Overall, great chapter, my favorite part being the elimination ceremony! Sorry it took so long to comment.  Been there, done that. Got the t-shirt. Sold my soul, and yeah the truth hurts.   18:59, March 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * My thought is that if Courtney had won the challenge for her team, Heather would have had to make a lot of promises to keep her allies loyal to her. That would still leave her potentially one vote short, with Cody or Justin as her most likely saviors. I could see Justin demanding that Heather stop trying to come between him and Lindsay, and Cody… well, I won’t give any hints on what Cody might demand if Heather had to give him whatever he wanted, because that very situation comes up in a later chapter.


 * The main reason why the Diary Incident blew over so quickly is not because of Heather’s power so much as because her pettiness didn’t cost her team the challenge. (None of which is to say that someone might not be plotting an awful vengeance.) As for Chris’ reaction, let’s just say that the readers aren’t the only ones who thought that it would have been too early for Heather to go. (Although yes, I was dissatisfied with Justin’s elimination in the canon version, simply because it was so random.)


 * “There’s hope for you, yet” may become a minor catchphrase in this story. Although it’s most commonly said by one girl or another to Ezekiel, it crops up in other situations as well. And no, Chris doesn’t have a bet with Chef on whether Ezekiel changes, for the simple reason that neither of them cares enough about whether he does to bet on it. As for Chef, he’s a textbook “punch clock villain”.


 * I’ve been trying to mix up the handling of the elimination ceremonies. Using the tapes in this case, and Eva casting the deciding vote against Bridgette, were references to certain events surrounding Eva’s return and second elimination in the canon. The similar wording, effectively dividing the votes into groups of three, had two purposes: (1) to illustrate that the Muskies had no consensus; and (2) to set up Izzy’s “mind dump” as Jay described it. And yes, Izzy’s claim that Heather is more deserving of having her hair burned is a reference to that iconic moment in the canon.


 * I was somewhat concerned that Bridgette’s elimination might look contrived, because (as mentioned in the footnotes) the real reason she got booted is because she was a victim of the elimination order following the storylines. Ezekiel’s defense of Courtney illustrates that (a) he’s starting to change, and (b) he and Courtney are starting to move beyond their protégé/mentor relationship and become friends. The major difference between LTDI and TDI here is that, thanks largely to Courtney, Ezekiel got the second chance in LTDI that he didn’t get in canon. The canon Courtney wouldn’t have stood up for him after that first challenge because she needed to save herself; but my Courtney wasn’t at risk because she took the plunge at the diving cliff (necessary to set up the lawyer joke) and so had the luxury of being able to think about someone besides herself.


 * Lindsay’s makeover scene had far more detail than was strictly necessary to advance the story, and was mainly a character development scene. Even Heather eventually got into it (somewhat) because damaged beauty is Serious Business to her, hence her description of Lindsay’s impending makeover as an “emergency” and her uncharacteristic generosity in allowing the use of her hair care supplies. That doesn’t mean she can stop being Heather, though, hence her attempts to boss Katie and Sadie around.


 * Ah, the love note. This is indeed based on LeShawna’s “secret admirer” subplot in the canon, the difference being that I stretch it out over several episodes. You can expect to see at least two more notes before this plot point is resolved. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  16:16, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Ninth Night Polls
Oh, dear, is this the end of Katie? (hint: the hypothermia subplot was a fairly recent idea) Of course not. She was in a previewed scene from a later chapter. ‘Fraid so. You did say that the previewed scenes could be changed or deleted. No, they’ll get rescued somehow. No, Sadie will come through and show us what she’s made of. Katie will make it, but Sadie will give too much trying to save her. They’re both toast. Cold, soggy toast.

Will Katie and Sadie cost their team the challenge? Yes, just like in the canon No, some deus ex machina will prevent it Yes, but they won’t both survive so there won’t be an elimination ceremony

Will Tyler be able to stay awake? Yes No, and it will cost the Muskies No, but it won't matter.

Which new or implied alliance or semi-alliance has the most potential? Beth/Izzy Courtney/Ezekiel Gwen/LeShawna

Which pre-existing friendship or alliance do you like best? Cody/Noah Duncan/Ezekiel Eva/LeShawna Katie/Sadie—and I can’t believe I’m actually saying that

Ninth Night Discussion
Wow! I love the Muskie's choice of songs! Very fun and intellectual group bonding. :)  The Katie/Sadie saga is very sad and dark, but very intriguing.  I'm looking forward to the next chapter!  :D <font color="Blue">Jay JLOM <font color="Red">If you'd like to win but think you can't, it's almost certain you won't. ... -Author Unknown 21:00, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I had a lot of fun writing the group bonding scenes. As for the Katie/Sadie subplot, I think it fits the mood of the story much better than simply recreating the fight they had in the original episode. And let's face it, if I can write darkness well for those two without derailing their personalities, then I should be able to write it for anyone. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  22:26, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

That was an incredible chapter, but the suspense is going to kill me. I hope Katie lives... We'll fight like twenty armies and we won't give up!  20:39, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Glad you liked it, Fan. It's been a while since I've heard from you, and I'm glad to see that you've been keeping up. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  22:26, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

That was excellent, the suspense building over the fate of Katie and Sadie is killing me... I wish March would be here already.99.12.243.184 05:59, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just curious, have we met? It doesn't really matter, because whether you're a new reviewer or an old one, I appreciate the feedback. As for the suspense, if the cliffhanger has you looking forward to the next chapter, then it's doing its job. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  22:26, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

No! Darn you cliffhanger, why must you be so cruel to me! That was an amazing chapter and I'm now ripping my hair out waiting for another one!SpaceWeather of planet Earth (talk) 08:43, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear that you liked it, SpaceWeather. Much as I like to hear from my regular reviewers, it's always good to hear from someone new. I'm not surprised that this chapter's reviewers are mainly talking about the cliffhanger, because it was pretty intense. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  22:26, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

So the Ninth Night has to be one of the best chapters [which is stiff competition] or at least have one of the most hook in cliffhangers.

Izzy and Courtney would make a good comedy duo. I can only imagine the kind of exchanges that happened. I think I may have mentioned before but I like Ezekiel and Beth as friends and Beth having a farming background, even though the latter was only mentioned in the bios, which are hardly remembered by the writers.

As for Beth and Izzy as an alliance, I completely support the idea. I love the two of them separate [which means an alliance may help them stay longer], but a friendship between them seems really clever. I also like the idea of Courtney and Zeke having an alliance, though I wonder what Duncan would say…

Hmm…so Heather doesn’t plan on following her own ‘no romance’ rule? I’m pretty sure that’s foreshadowing… I didn’t think Heather was the mother after awhile because The Storyteller often refers to her as ‘the dark queen’ and other similar things. Talking negatively about her.

But it could be that The Storyteller [if she is Heather] does think her actions back then were awful and sees herself as a different person [which is why she goes by a different name].

I’m glad Leshawna realizes she was wrong and apologizes, and of course LTDI actually had that ‘keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer’ thing resolved.

Your characterization of Heather is exactly how I see her and I love how it is discussed here! I wish I could have put it that clearly and simply when I was trying to explain it.

I love Katie’s logic on which path to take, it kind of makes sense but is so crazy. I love even more that it worked but they still didn’t go the right way!

As for the Muskies dinner, it sounds odd. I didn’t know people ate porcupines but I love the descriptions of how it was caught. My favorite catch though has to be Eva’s, simply for the way it was described. Delicate and lady-like indeed.

I feel so bad for D.J. and the loss of his bunny. I wonder if another bunny will show up for him during the team-building challenge, if DJ lasts that long. I like the idea of a conflict between DJ and Zeke based on the idea animal lover vs. a hunter. It also gives Zeke some good conflict, I know that a few other notable TD fanfics portray Zeke positively but give him no real conflicts with anyone at times, so it was nice to see a change.

I still love the Brain Trust, and how they found the cattails. It’s things like that; surviving or using your knowledge and skills I kinda wish I saw more of that in canon, a lot of challenges just feel physical.

I love the suggestions for what to sing at the campfire. I had actually heard ‘The Clean Song’ before but didn’t know it was called the Clean Song. Also, it is by coincidence that three of the four songs [Not Iris and Rose] are related to the ocean, being like sea shanties?

I love the idea of them learning the song Zeke sang to use at their eliminations. I also love how you used the poem, The Raven by Edgar Allen Poe. It was very clever, with how it related to the story. And it was a nice way of setting it up as well.

Katie and Sadie are just too awesome. I love how we don’t know who is saying what in their discussion [but I feel like Katie is the first person talking, followed by Sadie]. It’s made even more hilarious when one of them says, ''“Well, everyone keeps saying that they can’t tell us apart. Like, hello, we’re totally different, but whatev.” '' I’m also curious about their life back at home. They say they’re hot and popular back home and I wonder if that’s true.

I hadn’t noticed too much in detail, but looking back [I’m rereading to refresh my memory along with cite examples better] there was a few instances of foreshadowing Geoff’s fate. The first is when Courtney states Geoff is flirting too much, and I felt it was weird, as I didn’t see this flirting. But it was to start instances of Geoff being shown as unreliable. I liked how it was done.

I wasn’t really expecting for one of the twins to get in such perilous condition. I liked the way it was described, both in the scientific detail and the way it was shown through the situation.

Also, what is going on with Eva? Well, I know but at the time I didn’t but I like her fear and the foreshadowing with it.

The cliffhanger for this chapter was sooooo crazy. With all this effort put in to make the twins just stand out and lovable characters, I can’t even fathom seeing them die. But Harold died so it could happen, especially since someone will die at Boney Island.

The dialogue here only adds to the suspense, but is still in character for them and so heartbreaking but sweet. So thank you Gideon, for giving some needed focus and development Katie and Sadie needed that hadn’t been delivered in canon or fanfiction [at least that I’ve read].  Best TD pairing? Heather x Staci. You know there were subtle hints in the canon!   23:10, June 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Now that you mention it, Courtney would probably make a good “straight man” (straight girl?) foil for many of the comic characters. Her (informed) scene with Izzy, though, illustrates how an ounce of suggestion can be worth a pound of description. (Not that I’m not willing to provide the pound—or more—of description when I think the situation calls for it.) The bare suggestion of Izzy talking too much works in this case because Izzy’s motor mouth trait had previously been well established with several long monologues. Speaking of Izzy-based comedy duos, Beth would probably also make a good foil of a different sort, albeit one who is much more tolerant of Izzy’s mind dumps.


 * I’m not really sure where you got the idea that Heather doesn’t plan to follow her own “no romance” rule. The fact is, this may be the only alliance rule that she does intend to follow herself, because she fears the potential of romance to lead her astray in a competition situation. (And who knows? Her fear may end up being well-founded.) Her making eyes at Justin—a taken man, no less—is intended to illustrate just how powerfully distracting Justin is, as opposed to any duplicity on Heather’s part. (It’s not as if Heather lacks for other opportunities to show duplicity.)


 * I think I’ve noted elsewhere that the Storyteller describes Heather negatively (“the Dark Queen” and suchlike) only when Heather is planning or doing something mean or underhanded. The rest of the time, Heather’s labels are value-neutral. TV Tropes has a trope for this.


 * The fact that bawdy songs are often related to the sea may just stem from sailors traditionally being a *ahem* salty lot. As for the Muskies’ dinner, it’s true that porcupine is not commonly eaten to my knowledge, but the point is that it can be eaten in a pinch and is relatively easy to catch. The Muskies weren’t in a position to be picky.


 * I planned the D.J.-Ezekiel conflict storyline fairly early on, as it’s an unusual take on a well-known canon element, i.e. Bunny. This storyline has the added benefit of giving D.J. more to do, which he badly needs at this point. In the first 10 chapters, D.J. is the least visible camper by a wide margin. In fact, he’s not all that far ahead of Alejandro, who isn’t even a contestant and has had only one big scene.


 * Ezekiel, is prominent in part for the same reason that Katie and Sadie are prominent: they got so little legitimate development in the canon that fanfic writers have a lot of room to run with them. And while I freely admit that I’ve made major changes to Zeke’s character vis-à-vis his canon counterpart (for reasons I mentioned in the story’s notes), I’ve tried to keep Katie and Sadie close to their canon personalities. Speaking of the Wonder Twins, my take is that they are indeed considered hot and popular at their school—and just wait until their hometown peeps get a load of their new look. They don’t wield the kind of social power that Heather does, though, nor do they seem to want to.


 * I’m glad you liked Noah’s recitation of “The Raven”. One of his (reimagined) character traits is that he knows a lot of poetry, as a side effect of his reading so much, and it really seemed to me like something that belongs in his “scary stories” repertoire. That said, the poetry seems to be one of LTDI’s most polarizing elements. An earlier poll was very evenly split between people who like the poems and people who tend to skip over them. I’ve never been all that much into poetry myself; but as I’ve noted elsewhere, I’m putting all these poems into LTDI for stylistic reasons.


 * We’ve seen Geoff’s distractibility before, during the hot tub building and during the 20K run. I put those incidents in partly for character development, and partly because not showing this flaw until the episode where he gets eliminated (like the canon TDI did with a couple of the early outs) could have made it look too contrived. Geoff’s distractibility is also the basis for my choice of his theme song. (“If you want to save your soul from Hell, a-ridin’ on our range,/ Then, cowboy, change your ways today, or with us you will ride.”)


 * Your reaction to Katie and Sadie’s peril illustrates a basic rule of storytelling and audience reactions, to wit: you have to care about characters before you’ll fear for them. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  19:45, July 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I must've misread or misundersood what Heather meant. My bad. As for DJ, yeah he's kind of a not very there character. I think it might be because he doesn't have as extreme a personality as a lot of the other characters. I think that's why I really like fanfiction, we can explore what hasn't and may never be explored.


 * I think Katie and Sadie are very close to how they are in canon which is what so great; they're very like canon but still interesting. I for one like the poetry. And that's right, you did show more of Geoff's traits, and I agree showing the flaw during elimination does look to contrived, as it did in canon.  Best TD pairing? Heather x Staci. You know there were subtle hints in the canon!   23:46, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Tenth Night Polls
Was Chris right to award the challenge to the Eagles? Yes No

Is Katie going to be OK? Yes, she’ll be fine No, she’s going to be messed up somehow If she has brain damage, how would anyone notice?

Who has the lamest non-canon phobia? Eva (darkness) Ezekiel (Sophie’s Choice) Justin (kissing an unattractive girl) Katie (claustrophobia) Noah (outhouses)

Tenth Night Discussion
Holly crap, what an ending! Gideon you sir are a master of the cliffhanger! I'm glad to see that Katie is alive, despite the brain damage (which I know you put in there to fufill some deed to be seen). I also agree with the elimination of Geoff, it was bound to happen soon and Duncan is far too entertaining to be gotten rid of this early. Once again overall a masterful chapter and I look forward to learning of Ezekiel's fate! Space was here and he left something real special for ya! 23:41, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wow!! Great reimagining!! :D  I'm loving how you write this, since it takes us back to the original show, and yet adds so much more to the story! :D  And your Ninth Night cliffhangar was extreme, so I"m glad you resolved it so beautifully.  I know you'll have more of Katie's hypothermia in upcoming chapters, but now I'm worried about Ezekiel's Phobia challenge!  xDDD  Darn you and your cliffhangers!! D8  xDD  I can hardly wait for your next chapter.  ;)  <font color="Green">Jay JLOM You've got to be sure of yourself before you can ever win a prize. -Author Unknown 05:30, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

This chapter gave such a great resolution to the previous cliffhanger and a great start off to Phobia Factor!

Poor Tyler, I knew he couldn’t stay awake [I tried to vote in the polls, but they never work for me]. I like how Zeke was nice enough to wake up Tyler and promise not to say. And I laughed when he said no one wanted to hear another lecture.

And oh my goodness, Sadie not hearing a heartbeat has to be so crazy. I was soooo sad, but then of course Sadie starts thinking rationally and I’m thinking, ‘those are good points.’

I was literally cheering for Sadie in mind as she was trying to move. I how they are in serious danger, not liking they could’ve died and the story would be without the Wonder Twins, but how serious and realistic this peril feels.

And thank goodness Sadie heard a heartbeat.

I love the little dialogue between the Eagles as they awake. Lindsay, in particular was funny. I also like how you haven’t shown the fate of the Muskies. The way you’ve set up it builds some suspense and gives the feel of a race. Wish I could think of it like that.

Katie losing her bowel control was so funny but at the same time horrible! I really wasn’t expecting her to loss her bowl control though. I was glad to see another appearance of Alejandro, and just because it saved Sadie.

I also believe this is the first appearance of Cameron, or at least first time he is referred to by name. And the first appearance of Jo! I enjoyed the little intern scene; it was nice to see this. I suppose the mother talked with the interns as well.

Again, great use of having the challenge solved by wit and skills with the Eagles victory. The exchange between Heather and Courtney back at camp was good too. I’m wondering if these giant lampreys will show up. Perhaps at Boney Island?

As for Chris holding out the fates of Sadie and Katie, hilarious and genius. I can even see how that would be shown in the final episode. It feels so Chris too. And of course, they contestants argue over this and Chris twists the logic, hilarious.

When Chris said Katie had died I thought he was serious and I was freaking out! I was thinking ‘she made it all the way back for nothing!’ Thank goodness it was psych, a clever one.

As for Noah’s outburst, I found it funny coming from Noah. Just the extreme vulgarness but at the same time still some what wordy or at least not as modern.

I’m wondering what aftereffects Katie will have. It’s brought up so I can’t imagine it won’t come up. As for the Birthday surprise, I remember it from the teaser and it was really sweet, even sweeter knowing the events that happened the same day. Also, are those three candles meant to symbolize something or am I’m just reading too far into this?

I liked how you spiced about elimination this time, with just cutting to the bottom three. And I liked how you showed the bottom twos thought process on the matter. I particularly liked Duncan’s on how girls liked him.

I hate to see that Izzy’s plan failed, simply because Izzy and Beth are such a great alliance, at least to me.

As for Geoff leaving, it’s sad but Chris has a point, Duncan would cause more drama. As it said in the trivia, Geoff had no real set place but it worked best for him here. I’d agree with that, and I think it’s a good ending for him to go see Bridgette.

And as for the Warner Brothers claiming the rights to Happy Birthday, that’s pretty stupid. That detail does show the narrator maybe an unreliable narrator, and it makes me curious as to what will happen.

I love the ‘Ghost Of…’ joke, hilarious. I thought it was nice of the Eagles to try and show up, though I suspect some wanted to brag about their luck.

I like how the conversation about fear gets started with the contestants, feels a bit more natural than in the actual episode.

And I love how Izzy has a fight with Sunshine right there. Sunshine has to be one of my favorite jokes with Izzy. And then you add Ravi too. As for Eva, I actually feel bad for her. She’s afraid of the dark and she’s so ashamed. It’s really touching.

I also love how everyone keeps saying Courtney’s fear of Jell-O and she denies it. It’s too funny. I also like that little moment where Noah does the fake accent to impress Katie and it kind of works. Of course then he quips about DJ’s fears and she finds that rather harsh. Poor Noah.

I like the idea behind Zeke’s fear, perfect for a cliffhanger and knowing how we know this plays out, hilarious [does that count as irony?]. I also love how you give a reason for Noah to never use the confessional, having a fear of outhouses. I also like how you make it so he isn’t even ashamed.

Also, Eva’s reasoning behind the sundresses was rather nice in my opinion. I like it, it would make me a fan of Katie and Sadie.

So all in all, this was such a suspenseful but really enjoyable chapter!  Best TD pairing? Heather x Staci. You know there were subtle hints in the canon!   05:53, June 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Having the reader mentally cheer Sadie on as she tried to get Katie back to camp is pretty much the reaction I was going for, so I’m glad to hear that it worked. As for Sadie thinking that all her effort was for nothing… well, I’d bet good money that most readers didn’t expect Sadie to be the one who would drop the story’s only f-bomb, but it just seemed to work there.


 * I’m not entirely sure how Katie’s “death dump” would be seen as funny, though, even in a “gallows humor” sense. Or perhaps you thought it was funny before you realized what it actually meant? That’s as may be, I can see why you weren’t expecting it. It’s not the sort of detail that most fiction writers would see fit to mention, but I thought it appropriate for the scene because it seemed the best way to crush Sadie’s hope spot.


 * Chris telling the campers that Katie had died wasn’t meant to surprise the reader, although if it did, that works too. Although I didn’t come right out and say it, I sort of implied that Katie was alive when Chris stopped by the infirmary. Chris telling the campers otherwise just for the sadistic joy of seeing their reactions was therefore meant to be a bit of dramatic irony, which is where the reader knows something that the characters don’t. (For this purpose, reading ahead doesn’t count.) As for Noah’s loss of control when Chris reveals the deception, that was mainly intended to show—however subtly—how much he’s into Katie, which is why only Cody truly understood his outburst. At this point, Noah cares for Katie more than he probably realizes. He minced words (“manhood” instead of a more earthy term) mainly to preserve the story’s PG-13 rating because I’ve already used my quota of high-octane profanity, and the fact that it fits Noah is a bonus.


 * Cameron was originally described in the talent show episode, where he was the tour guide for the reward cruise, but the lodge scene is the first time that he is identified by name or has any lines. A later episode (much later, like the safari challenge) will explain why the Storyteller gives the interns as many mentions as she does.


 * As for the ballsy maneuver the Eagles used to win the challenge, having nothing to lose is a very liberating thing.


 * The other campers assumed that Sadie’s birthday wish would be to reach the finals with Katie. Chris and Chef, who knew more details about what the Wonder Twins had just been through, might have suspected that Sadie would wish for Katie to not have any aftereffects from her recent ordeal. Either way, Sadie’s failure to blow out all the candles on her first breath suggests that she should not expect to get her wish. The precise number of candles still burning has no special meaning, though.


 * “Happy Birthday to You” is public domain in Canada, but is still (allegedly) copyrighted in the U.S. A few weeks ago, though, someone finally did go to court with a serious legal challenge to the copyright. We’ll see how that plays out. As for the Storyteller’s potential unreliability, I’ve mentioned elsewhere that it could plausibly explain why this mostly realistic reimagining retains some of the original show’s cartoonish elements, which provide much of the ritual exaggeration that we expect from legends.


 * The phobia confession scene illustrates what you can do when you’re not constrained by 20-minute segments and a (more or less) weekly production schedules. This single scene runs almost 4,000 words. Some well-regarded stories (Total Drama Explosion, for one) have entire chapters that aren’t that long. I knew almost from the start that I didn’t want to stint on this scene, though, because it was such a great character development opportunity. As for the more natural flow in my version, that’s consistent with LTDI’s “behind the scenes” conceit. There is every possibility that this long “sharefest”, as Gwen described it in the original, might have ended up looking much like the canon scene after the editors got through with it.


 * I don’t know if I’d call the Izzy/Sunshine/Ravi bit a “fight”, but Izzy’s imaginary friends do provide a lot of fodder for comic relief without making Izzy the full-on raving loony that she became in the later canon seasons. Speaking of Izzy, her claim that Courtney is afraid of her, and Noah’s deadpan response, “We’re all afraid of you, Izzy” is one of my favorite comic bits in the whole story. I also had a lot of fun writing the whole "I am not afraid of Jello!" running gag. It's certainly LTDI's most elaborate running gag to date, although "Sunshine told me" will probably reclaim the top spot before the story is done.


 * I’ll admit that I’m not sure what you found funny about Ezekiel’s fear, even in retrospect. I’m guessing that you’re referring to Chris’ sadistic glee in crushing Cody’s wistful hope that the challenge wouldn’t be especially dangerous? Whatever, I’m glad you liked the chapter and I appreciate the detailed feedback. In addition to suggesting ways that I might improve the story going forward, your essays are a good springboard for me to expand on certain points of general interest. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:58, July 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't think Sadie would drop the only F-bomb. As for the death dump, I guess I find it so funny because I wasn't expecting something that realistic [since that stuff never really happens in fiction like you said]. I did think that's what Chris meant in the infirmy but then I was thinking maybe the condtion wasn't good, as it wasn't specifically stated.


 * I'm interested in seeing why the interns are so mentioned, so I can't wait to see the safari challenge. I thought the number might, perhaps symbolizing how long they have left together, but I'm still very worred for Sadie knowing the candles didn't work. I'm glad someone's doing something about that silly copyright. And I do think there are certain elements in the story that the storyteller makes up [like Sadie's candles for instance] that seem so improbable or foreshadowing it feels like stuff they add into catch Brett's attention.


 * I like the detail you went into in this scene, like you said it was a great character development. I do think Sunshine works greatly for Izzy in comedy. And I can see why that is one of your favorite comedic bits. The comedy was really strong here. I can't remember what I meant by finding Zeke's fear funny now, though I may have meant it was funny rereading knowing how it goes. I'm glad my feedback is helpful, I can see it being annoying with having to explain things so much.  Best TD pairing? Heather x Staci. You know there were subtle hints in the canon!   23:46, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Eleventh Night Polls
Who will Ezekiel save? Gwen Katie Neither – he won’t be able to choose in time He’ll find a way to save them both

Which team do you think will win the challenge? Eagles (currently 2 successes, 3 likely to succeed, 2 failures, 2 unknown) Muskies (currently 3 successes, 1 likely to succeed, 1 failure, 3 unknown)

Eleventh Night Discussion
Gid, you evil genius you, you've left me at a standstill. Katie and Gwen are allies and you're piting them against eachother in this life and death situation. I truly do hope Ezekiel finds a way to save both of them in time, but I guess only you know what happens. For now I'll bide my time and wait for Twelfth Night, and I await it with anxiety. Space was here and he left something real special for ya! 23:37, May 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ever since the talent show, it's been all downhill for Katie, hasn't it? At this rate, she's liable to end up scarred for life--if she doesn't end up like Harold first. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:58, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Did the kid have ten days of school in a row? (Sorry I forgot his name)  We'll fight like twenty armies and we won't give up!  20:32, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, Brett has five-day school weeks, which I understand is the Canadian standard. The Fourth Night and Fifth Night chapters also had "weekend" openings, as will Twelfth Night. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:50, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's a lot of pressure on Ezekiel. Seems like a shorter chapter than usual, probably because it had only two segments. I loved the line where Ezekiel wonders if he died from the cliff jump and if this is Hell. I don't know why, but that line just seemed really fitting. I'm gonna stay at home by myself and masterbaking cake 21:02, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Apart from the prologue, Eleventh Night is indeed the shortest chapter yet, at "only" about 6500 words. (A couple of others are around 7000 words, but most are in the 10-12K range.) I mentioned in my subscriber alerts that the chapter was relatively short, but you're not on my subscriber list and so you quite literally didn't get the memo. On a related note, I've mentioned before that the cliffhanger placement, more than anything else, is what determines chapter length. I almost didn't use the the Ezekiel cliffhanger because I thought it might make the chapter too short. I had another good cliffhanger candidate later in the challenge, which would have added another thousand words or so to the chapter length; but the Ezekiel cliffhanger is dramatically stronger, so I wanted to use it if I could. I got the chapter up to a good length, in part, by moving up Noah's and Eva's follow-up scenes. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  01:50, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

This was a shorter chapter, but still a really great one.

I love how kind of recapping the events of the previous night you also set up a good joke about Chef’s cooking. Oh, I can’t wait to see what Courtney has to do. You’ve used the canon fears but not in the exact same way as in the canon, so I’m curious to see if she’ll have to jump into the green Jell-O.

Oh course Chris is sadistic enough to have the chest for Beth’s challenge look like a coffin. I remember in canon Beth faced her fear and it seemed like nothing for her, so I like the extremity of her reaction, heaving.

I predicted LeShawna wouldn’t complete her fear. I did laugh out loud when LeShawna yells at a knocked out Heather about failing her fear. I was surprised to see Owen back as the sumo, but it worked and her fear of sumos being due to a dislike of obesity makes sense. I’m also surprised Owen didn’t say anything, though I’m kind of glad he didn’t.

I loved the Pixie Chicks cameo here, truly clever. And that’s actually a very interesting way of measuring a pun. And Eva was very hilarious with her line. I think Eva could be a very funny character, if some effort was put in to her. And I agree with Izzy, Sunshine needs that kiss!

I didn’t realize it, but Katie and Gwen having the same fear was probably a hint Zeke would have to save them. I’m glad that Gwen had the company, and I’m wondering if the two will form a friendship or closer bond from this, already kind of being allies after the Trent incident.

Eva’s very real fear I’m really enjoying, it just makes a more three dimensional character. Yes she’s a real tough person but even she has a fear. And I love Chris’ sadistic twist, having the battery go out. And I’m with Tyler; she won’t let them down.

I didn’t think about that, but Chris does value hair care so he even finds Sadie and Lindsay’s punishment cruel. And go Lindsay, being smart with the idea of using hair extensions.

My guess is that Izzy and Justin will go to the plane with Chef Hatchet cross-dressing as the air flight attendant and Justin will have to kiss Chef.

I liked DJ’s pep-talk and I really thought Ty would conquer it. I wasn’t expecting a fighting cock, but that’s great. You really play Chris’ sadistic nature well without making him to unlikable.

The comparison of the snake and DJ was pretty clever, as was DJ figuring out about the snake. Poor DJ, all the animals around just see to keep dying or getting in painful situations. Eva was pretty clever too with her strategy of rationing light.

I didn’t know bank’s used paint bombs like that, is there a way to clean the paint from the money? It feels like it’d be a waste of money to catch robbers instead of using another method, in my opinion.

Man, that was a really clever fear for Zeke and I really don’t know whom he’ll pick. If my only two choices were to pick Katie or Gwen [meaning I could not pick do nothing] I guess I would go with Katie, simply because she has a best friend and almost died already. But that’s just me.

Well this was a really funny chapter I think, with so good character in there as well. I’m so excited to see who Zeke saves, if he saves anyone.  Best TD pairing? Heather x Staci. You know there were subtle hints in the canon!   02:15, June 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * As I mentioned in the Notes, the reason why the canon Beth thought nothing of her test is because the canon trial didn’t really test her phobia. Mine did. Although having the chest look like a coffin helped make Beth’s test a little nastier, the real reason for the resemblance was to reduce the number of spiders needed for full coverage. As for Leshawna’s failure, you may have been remembering it as much as predicting it, because it was in a preview scene.


 * I don’t think it’s giving away too much to say that Owen won’t be the last ex-camper to cameo as a challenge assistant. My take on his not speaking is that he was probably under orders to not say anything articulate, because speaking would make him seem more familiar to Heather (who, you may recall, once admitted that she thinks Owen’s “nice”) and so might have made her test easier. It’s just not like Chris to give a camper breaks like that.


 * It’s an old adage that a pun’s worth is measured by groans rather than laughs. Indeed, a collective groan is often the response that an incorrigible punslinger is going for, so don’t incorrige him. I just hope I get to hear about Sunshine’s reaction to that scene one of these days.


 * I’m glad to hear that somebody didn’t automatically guess that Gwen and Katie would end up being the victims that Ezekiel would have to choose between. As per the Notes, the whole reason I threw in the Zeke/Justin/Izzy red herring was because I thought that burying Gwen and Katie together was a virtual giveaway. Ironic, that, because Ezekiel originally wasn’t even going to be in that scene at all. I thought up Katie’s phobia before I thought up Ezekiel’s, so for a time Gwen and Katie were just going to lie in their “graves” for a while without any particular danger to life and limb.


 * In that early draft, Cody was going to stay with Gwen, much as Trent did in the original, and Chris was going to pull Cody away for his own test without giving him a chance to warn Gwen (again, much as with Trent in the original) which would have led to Gwen being mad at Cody. He would have tried to explain the situation, but I don’t know if Gwen would have believed him—the scene sketch never got that far before I came up with a phobia for Ezekiel, which took the burial scene in a different direction.


 * For the record, Gwen and Katie (and Sadie, presumably, since she wasn’t likely to reject Gwen’s terms after Katie accepted them) became sort-of allies after the Diary Incident, not the Trent Incident. Although Gwen has only had “screen” time with Katie so far, she might have scenes with Sadie down the road.


 * Making Justin kiss Chef in drag is a good idea, and one that I might well have used if I hadn’t already had other plans. It’s the sort of thing that I can see the actual show doing. As for Lindsay and Sadie’s tests, it was Heather who pronounced it cruel. (She does, after all, regard beauty as Serious Business.) Chris may well have thought so, too, although it wasn’t stated, or he may have simply thought it would be a hard test with a photogenic way to measure success or failure. As for Lindsay’s idea to use extensions, the fact that extensions were available in the first place was an intentional loophole, offering an easy (easier, anyway) way out if the girls were clever enough to spot it, and giving Chris a chance to gloat if they weren’t. At all events, this was another case where I didn’t think the canon trial tested the phobia as well as it could have.


 * Regarding the paint bomb, having a way to clean it off the money would defeat the purpose. The idea behind it is that (1) it makes the robbers easier to identify, since they tend to be in close proximity to the bomb when it goes off; and (2) even if they get away, they’ll raise all sorts of red flags if they try to spend the money, so it will have all been for nothing. And no, it’s not really a waste of money if you keep in mind that the bills are really just fancy paper and the government can always print more. If the money is recovered, the bank would just exchange it for fresh bills at the nation’s central bank. (That would be a Federal Reserve Bank in the U.S. I don’t know what the Canadians call their version.) Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:11, July 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I usually think of bugs in very general terms, so I could see her being afraid of worms, but I think spiders work better. And my guess was that Owen couldn't talk, and I'm excited to see who also cameos. I hope you get to hear from Sunshine sometime, I loved to here her reaction to that.


 * I think the final version worked better than the original draft for Gwen's challenge. And it was the Diary Incident that Katie talked to Gwen not Trent, my bad. The Beth version worked better plot-wise, although I agree Justin kissing Chef in drag seems like something they would do in can. It was implied that Chris thought Lindsay and Sadie's test was cruel, and I thought that would make sense. And I do like the clever ways Chris sets things up to test intelligence.


 * I can see they would exchange the bills for money, but isn't there some rule about it takes so much money to make money, so it would cost more to replacce it or perhaps I'm just confused is all.  Best TD pairing? Heather x Staci. You know there were subtle hints in the canon!   23:46, July 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, it doesn't really cost much to print paper money--only about 6.4 cents per bill. It's basically just paper and ink, albeit specialty paper and ink. Besides, the number of bills lost in foiling bank robberies is microscopic compared to the total supply. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:46, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

I just finished the first half of the Eleventh Night, and I just love the way your writing flows. I can tell I'm getting into a story when I forget I'm reading it, and instead become part of the story...like a camera-person instead. I'll leave a longer comment when I've finished this chapter. :)  <font color="Lavendar">Jay JLOM <font color="Brighgreen"> Life's battles don't always go to the stronger or faster man; -Author Unknown 06:42, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Dude!! Cliffhanger much? These challenges are awesomely written!! Very believeable in the TDI-esque world, and SO much fun to read!! xD  I'm ready to read your 12th Night now, which is already up. ;)  And DJ apparently conquered that snake phobia mostly, since snakes can't bite with a full mouth, but can still writhe enough to scratch and coil.  :)  <font color="mediumslateblue">JustLittleOlMe  Lil   Jay JLOM   Jay-Z  Jay-cobb   Jayneneh  Lady Gideon  ~ <font color="Lavendar">Jay JLOM <font color="Brighgreen"> Life's battles don't always go to the stronger or faster man; -Author Unknown 01:09, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Twelfth Night Polls
Who had the nastiest original phobia test (besides Ezekiel)? Courtney Eva Justin Leshawna Lindsay Noah Sadie

Who had the most awesome success? Beth Courtney D.J. Duncan Eva Gwen & Katie Lindsay Noah Sadie

Who had the lamest failure? Cody Ezekiel Heather Izzy Leshawna Tyler

Did Justin deserve to be eliminated? Yes No

Twelfth Night Discussion
Can you make an elimination chart? PWEEEEAAASE!


 * The elimination table has its own subpage to reduce the potential for late arrival spoilers. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  05:43, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Once again I'm left wondering at to what the fae of our oh so unfortunate campers is, but once again a great chapter Gid! I knew that Katie would have a mental reprecussion and I knew that Gwen and Katie would both be saved. The realism in this story is awesome and I'm definitely wondering who's going to bite the dust because I remember you saying someone isn't going to make it off Boney Island alive. If I have one complaint it's DJ still not being over Ezekiel killing what would've been his pet bunny, I just can't see DJ as holding a massive grudge over it. But esides that I'm loving Ezekiel, Courtney, and Noah who are my three favorite characters. Oh and I really approve of the elimination choice, it really was Justin's time to go as he really wasn't offering the story much in the way of character. If I had to guess who's going to die I'd say it'll be DJ, Beth, Leshawna, or maybe even Tyler as they haven't had as much of a presence as most of the other characters in the story. But right now all I can say is that I hope it's not Ezekiel and that I'm looking forward to the next chapter! In the words of the great Alan Rickman, "I have never been able to plan my life. I just lurch from indecision to indecision." 22:04, July 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to hear that you don't like D.J.'s grudge, because it's going to be a storyline of some importance. (And, yeah, I guess I just spoiled the fact that neither D.J. nor Ezekiel buys it on Boney Island. Not on this trip, anyway...) The main purpose of this storyline is to reveal and develop a character flaw in D.J., to wit: for all his admirable qualities, the reimagined D.J.'s priorities are a little disordered. Think PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals), which is known for, among other things, its belief that human life is not inherently more precious than animal life.


 * As for Justin, his storyline was pretty much played out. Although he was never a filler character to the degree that Geoff was, at his core he remained a one-joke character, much like his canon counterpart. And although Justin got to do far more in LTDI than in the original, his main dramatic function was to be someone's love interest, much like the canon Trent. Even Justin's elimination wasn't really about him--it was about Heather, showing her ability to make tough strategic choices that she isn't necessarily happy with. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:39, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I hope nobody dies. I'm gonna stay at home by myself and masterbaking cake 20:21, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

My twelfth might comment is here, and at least earlier than the previous ones.

I liked how Gwen decides to start making bribes based on the story of The Golden Apples. I loved the recap of the myth, it was very detailed. The bribes escalated quickly, and I really wasn't expecting Katie to offer that up. I guess I was wrong about him choosing Katie, though I liked the logic behind it.

I get Cody's mind wandering, I do that all the time when I shouldn't be. I feel like I should've realized Cody would go to save Gwen. Even Chris suspected Cody would come, that makes sense. It's disappointing we didn't get to see the explosion, but I suppose will see more in due time.

I guess I was wrong about Justin kissing Chef Hatchet. Poor Izzy on the plane. And another person defecates in their clothes, I wonder if this is gonna happen again [probably the horror challenge if I had to guess].

Thank goodness both Katie and Gwen were saved, though I suspected they would due to the death next challenge. I'm curious if this experience will strength their relationship. And yay Eva! I'm enjoying this brawn and brains this character has.

And yay Noah, Lindsay and Sadie for completing their challenge as well. Ezekiel didn't complete his fear here, but I predict he may have to deal with Sophie's choice again in the future, and this time not orchestrated by Chris.

And wow, Katie is a really good person, saying should would've gone through with it. I'm interested to see where Gwen's debt to Cody will go.

I'd be furious at Justin for saying that as well. Poor Beth, I feel awful for the gal. I do find it kinda funny because Beth and Justin is a somewhat popular pairing in fandom.

And now Courtney's trial is revealed, and I gotta say I like it! Very clever, and better than diving head into the Jell-O like canon. And I like how she is asleep and they have to eat her out of it [though not really, but it was a nice twist].

As for Chris' speech about the tiebreaker, I like if you can't tell if he made it up or had it planned. And yay Courtney for winning the challenge! She get an M.V.P award or something. I'm also interested to see how the wetsuit will play in.

Well, I'm glad Justin's going after his comment. I also suppose that if it had to be someone, Justin is the best bet. He's just not the most interesting person, especially in canon standards.

I liked the way the decisions behind it were played. First a confessional, then the results, and then another confessional. I do think Lindsay's vote may bite her in the butt sometime down the road. After all, she was just tempting fate to in her confessional.

Duncan makes a good point, they really wouldn't let such meat go to waste. They probably feed it to the beavers on Boney Island if it wasn't in the stew.

The Boney Island challenge is here! I know someone is going to die, and I'm trying to figure out who. I feel like it would be an Eagle since the Muskies lost Harold, and a girl since so many boys have left. My initial fear was that it was one of the wonder twins, but after all the torture they've had, especially Katie, I somewhat doubt it.

My guess might be Leshawna, as she did speak French in this episode, which was why she had to be part french, though just for a rowing song seems rather vague. If that was why she had to speak French, then I can believably see her dying.

There are hints that Lindsay will rebel against Heather, so I don't think either will die. If Gwen died it would be kind of funny given your one-shot, Legacy. Another guess I would make might be Cody based on how the canoeing interaction. Would give Gwen horrible guilt for rejecting him. I guess we'll have to wait...

Poor Katie, it so awful. I can't help but feel like her short-term memory will cause some big mistake, perhaps causing her to forget who she was going to vote for and messing up an elimination.

Of course there is a curse that whoever dies there will never be able to rest in piece. I'm going to cry when someone does die, I just know it.

Leshawna and Noah as canoeing partners is a great and hilarious idea. Most of the pairs are pretty likable. I feel really bad for Cody when he is rejected, this just won't end well.

And now we get the cliffhanger happening right before we see the Wooly Beavers. My guess is they're eating something [or someone] there. Like I said, I'm going to cry when someone dies.

This chapter was really good, I loved seeing more of the fear trials, the elimination was great and the humor was very funny all trough out, as usual. I can't wait to see how this goes!  Best TD pairing? Heather x Staci. You know there were subtle hints in the canon!   21:22, July 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * It’s possible that you might see somebody else soiling themselves if a relevant situation arises, but it’s more likely to merely be discussed. I can assure you that it’s not going to become any sort of running gag. The fact that people crapped their pants in back to back episodes was a coincidence.


 * Chris’ reactions to the challenge solutions of D.J. and Eva, for example, illustrate what may be LTDI Chris’ most endearing trait: he respects thinking outside the box. Some fanfic versions of Chris might get upset if a contestant found an unorthodox way to make a challenge easier than intended, and the canon Chris would probably let it slide because he simply doesn’t care, but LTDI Chris seems to genuinely enjoy seeing the campers come up with innovative solutions.


 * As for Cody’s test, you didn’t miss much by not seeing the explosion. It wasn’t meant to be all that impressive. Fear not, though, there will be some spectacular explosions in later episodes.


 * I listed Justin as a “flat character” on the TV Tropes page because, much as in the original, he was really just there for the girls to drool over. He did get a few good scenes—enough to make him more than just filler—thanks largely to being Lindsay’s love interest, but I never had big plans for him. Much like Tyler in the original, his only real storyline was being Lindsay’s love interest, and it’s an interesting coincidence that he got canned in the same episode as the canon Tyler. At least LTDI Justin got to talk normally.


 * Leshawna speaking French (mainly naughty French) is just for a bit of color, and was never a requirement for the story. The reason she’s Quebecois is because a later chapter mentions a certain (real life) business establishment in Montreal, and the scene requires that one of the campers be familiar with it.


 * Poor Katie, indeed. Ever since she had to abase herself before Gwen, it’s been one thing after another for her, hasn’t it? And I don’t think it’s giving away too much to say that her misfortunes aren’t done yet. As for Katie’s memory impairment, it gives me a way to work in something that I forgot to mention in the challenge briefing, which is nice because I won’t have to go back and revise the scene. The curious thing, though, is that most of her trauma conga line wasn’t planned in advance. It just sort of happened because of the way various scenes developed. The ancient Spartans used to say, “That which does not destroy us, strengthens us,” and that may be Katie’s best hope at this point.


 * As for Gwen’s rejection of Cody, about 10 days after posting the chapter I thought of a poem that fit the scene, so I’ve added it to the scene and identified it in the Notes. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  04:47, July 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * That might be why I really like LTDI Chris, or one of the big reasons. Justin is a flat character here, but I suppose he was really important to a point [and I didn't even notice him and Tyler going at the same time]. So I guess that means LeShawna's safe from dying at Boney Island since she is still needed. And it has been one thing after another. I really hope Katie doesn't have to do too much more suffering.


 * And I really like the new poem, it really fit the scene between Cody and Gwen, and the references to water while they're canoning is also wonderful.  Best TD pairing? Heather x Staci. You know there were subtle hints in the canon!   23:46, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

What's this now? A surname for the son of our narrator? I'm not sure how this is a clue to his mother, but I'm sure it can be somehow. I'm gonna stay at home by myself and masterbaking cake 05:57, July 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I can certainly understand why you might think that, but no. The specific surname (which was originally not going to be revealed until the epilogue) is merely that of the friend whom I named the narrator's son after. It has no bearing on the Storyteller's identity. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  14:30, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I just finished the first third of your twelfth night. Very cartoony, adult, funny and horrifying all at the same time. Thank you for writing this, and great job keeping us on the edges of our seats! xD <font color="Lavendar">Jay JLOM <font color="Brighgreen"> Life's battles don't always go to the stronger or faster man; -Author Unknown 15:39, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

sorry but i dont understand, this isnt entertaining to read personally i dont think the author grasped the concept that total drama is supposed to be a comedy. i get that its a re imagining but its just too precise and complicated and feels very condescending when the author has to go into detail to explain jokes. most of the characters seem out of character, i dont understand why sadie would have known that when katie pooped herself she was dying. i dont think sadie is smart enough to know that considering thats not a common fact. also i read the tv tropes page and it seemed like the author was taking too much pride in his work and how "detailed" he made the characters when really he just took them in an entirely new path. just my opinion and personal critique of the ff, not very enjoyable and i wouldnt recommend it. --Demon Guy (talk) 05:57, August 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Demon Guy, I’ll be candid. I happen to know that you like to troll people, and your commentary includes several yellow flags that say, “possible troll review”, so you’ll understand if I’m suspicious. That’s as may be, you did raise some points of general interest, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.


 * Yes, Total Drama is a comedy, just like you said. What’s your point? There’s no rule nor convention nor even reasonable expectation requiring either fanfics or reimaginings of a comic work to be comic themselves. Indeed, demonstrating how familiar scenes can be made very different merely by playing them for drama instead of laughs (or vice versa) is one of LTDI’s central conceits, and I make no apologies for it. Since you don’t seem willing to accept that, I’m guessing that you didn’t like Legacy, either.


 * You claim that LTDI is “too precise” (whatever that means) and complicated. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here; but if I had to guess, I’d say that you apparently don’t like my richly descriptive style. There’s nothing wrong with that—not everyone likes a lot of description, and there’s no disputing taste—but you need to understand that an author is not responsible for tastes that differ from what he wishes to indulge. In the case of LTDI, it’s called a legend because I choose to tell it like a legend. You can take that or leave it.


 * As for your complaint that most of the characters seem out of character, can you be more specific about what seems OOC to you? After all, simply saying “they’re out of character” with no elaboration is not helpful and invites people to dismiss your complaint—especially since that complaint appears to be very much a minority opinion, if the feedback I’ve gotten is any indication. It’s true that most of the characters are more multidimensional that they appear in the original, but that’s because of the Storyteller’s insider perspective. She knows the differences between how these people actually behaved and how they were made to look in the finished episodes. That “behind the scenes” perspective is another of LTDI’s central conceits that you seem unwilling to accept.


 * Bottom line, if you choose to reject the story’s whole premise (as seems to be the case), that’s your affair, but you need to recognize that for what it is: a taste-based choice that does not, in and of itself, say anything about the story’s quality. And I must say that, for someone who finds LTDI “not very enjoyable” and claims that it “isn’t entertaining”, you’ve sure stuck with it for a long time—the only specific incident you mentioned was from the Tenth Night chapter—unless you just dropped in on a random chapter.


 * As for explaining the jokes and allusions, I would have preferred not having to do that, but the fact is that a fair portion of the readership probably won’t understand them if I don’t. It’s especially problematic if the reader doesn’t happen to live in the U.S. or Canada. There’s also the fact that I come from an earlier generation than most of my readers, so many of my pop cultural reference points are different. Since millenials often don’t understand pop culture references dating from before they were born, annotating these references is not condescension. Indeed, your suggestion that I “didn’t grasp the concept that Total Drama is supposed to be a comedy” is far more condescending than anything you’ve accused me of doing. (That, incidentally, is one of the reasons why I suspect that your commentary was a troll review, intended to offend merely for the sake of offending.) If it makes you feel better, I don’t explain a joke or allusion in-story unless it’s a plot point or unless doing so enhances the “legendary” storytelling style.


 * On whether Sadie is “smart enough” to recognize Katie’s death dump for what it was, intelligence and knowledge are different things. Besides, the pseudo-canonical text bios on the show’s website say that Sadie is the one who thinks with her head (whereas Katie thinks with her heart), suggesting that Sadie is supposed to be reasonably smart.


 * As for the story’s TV Tropes page, it sounds you’re assuming too much at best or seeing what you want to see at worst. Just because some characters have a lot of alternate characterization tropes doesn’t necessarily mean that their characterizations are all that different from the original, given that a single scene can have a dozen tropes or more. Not only that, but some of the tropes I list are present in the original, and are merely played differently. Furthermore, I don’t seek to include certain tropes merely because I’ve learned that the trope exists. Instead, I go to TV Tropes after the fact to find out what tropes happen to be present in my story. I will admit that a few tropes pages (most notably the now-defunct “naughty tentacles”) have given me ideas for scenes, but it’s a rare occurrence.


 * And yes, I’m proud of my story, and why shouldn’t I be? I’ve put a lot of work into it and reader response has been overwhelmingly positive. How much pride is “too much”? I certainly haven’t been too proud to take ideas from reader feedback, most notably Bridgette's dream sequence in Fourth Night. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  02:59, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Darn your cliffhangers!! xD I adore how Justin left the island, and I'm glad Lindsay got her farewell kiss. All of these phobia challenges were beautifully written, although I'd love for your footnotes to remind us of what each person's challenge was. Easier to answer the polls that way. ;) I'm glad no one was irreversibly scarred, although I wish Cody could have finished his challenge. Completely understandable why he didn't, tho, and you had a wonderful explanation as to his issues. I'm really looking forward to LeShawna and Gwen finding their leadership qualities, and also what Boney Island has to offer. Also, Lindsay's butchering of names multiple times in the same paragraph was priceless!! :D Looking forward to more! <font color="Blue">Jay JLOM <font color="Red"> But soon or late the man who wins is the man who thinks he can. -Author Unknown 00:51, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Thirteenth Night Polls
What are your thoughts on Jo’s death? I feel suckered. I assumed it would be a contestant, even though you never said so Even an intern dying is wrong Mourned with the dignity she deserves Meh She went out in a blaze of glory. What more can a jock ask?

Who will win The Great Alpha Catfight Paddle Battle? Courtney Heather

When will the RCMP come for Izzy? During the next elimination, just like in canon Sometime later, because the Muskies aren’t going to elimination this time Sometime later, for some other reason

Rate Heather’s scheming in this chapter 5. I wish we could have seen this on the actual show 4. Classic Heather 3. It’s about time she did something actively villainous 2. Meh 1. You’ve ruined her

Thirteenth Night Discussion
See, I told you guys that someone would die on Boney Island. I never said it would be a contestant. In fact, I was very careful to avoid implying that it would be a contestant. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  06:35, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok first of all... ya got me. I was almost in shock when I though Heather was gonna be the one to go. I had so many speculations floating around in my head and it was Jo and Lightning the whole time.

Secondly, great work once again Gid! This chapter was wonderfully paced through and through. The suspense killed me and the comedy still hit when it needed to. I'm very interested to see how you handle the cursed idol plot, as I've mentioned before I despised that plot in canon so I'm hoping you can make it great. Plus Katie's short term memory loss strikes in a big way for the first time. Oh and Heather's deception was great in this chapter, good to see her doing something cunning. I can't wait to see what else she may forget along the way. That love letter is getting to be mysterious, you're clearly pointing the finger at Noah which almost makes me doubt it's him. Plus the letters depict Katie but they could also be used to describe Sadie so I'm finding difficulty in pointing out who is the lucky lady. This battle between Heather and Courtney is also VERY interesting, I'm personally rooting for Courtney but it could go either way. This next elimination promises to be a great one.

In terms of the characters I enjoyed everyone all around in this chapter. I'd still say my favorite is Ezekiel as he brings a positive presence and sense of morality to an otherwise bleak and somewhat deppresing atmosphere at the current time. I was hopping to see a bit more snark and wit from Gwen or Noah but I suppose it didn't fit with this chapter's overall tone. Izzy being insane and setting off basically an explosion was probably the highlight and she was the most amusing part of the chapter. Everyone else filled their roles as they normally do but I would've liked to see a bit more from the less focused upon characters such as Tyler or DJ. Overall though a great offering and you've got me on the edge of my seat waiting for the next chapter! Space was here  some time ago   and he wrote stuff.  19:28, September 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * You seem to have had plenty of company in assuming that a contestant would buy it. While I’m sure some readers suspected that it would be an intern—especially since a couple of redshirts have gotten a fair amount of play—I don’t recall actually hearing anyone suggest that possibility.


 * As you seem to have noticed, this was much less of an ensemble chapter than is typical of this story. In fact, I’m not sure if any of the previous 12 chapters focused on so few characters. The main reason, I suspect, is that this was a shorter chapter covering relatively few events—half an episode, at best. In fact, this whole chapter could just as easily have been called, “Heather’s Stratagem”. Not only that, but the events in question didn’t have the “everyone gets their turn” character of the events (dodgeball match, camping trip switching focus twixt three separate groups, phobia challenge) in the previous short chapters. Although Katie and Sadie did each get a big scene (not even together, remarkably) and Courtney was fairly prominent, Thirteenth Night was pretty much The Heather & Izzy Show, with Heather delivering the drama and Izzy the comedy.


 * Another possible factor in the narrow focus is that the chapter was, quite frankly, a bit rushed. I wrote almost half of it in just the last weekend before posting, so there wasn’t much time for refinement. By contrast, the chapter’s only true ensemble scene (the discovery of Jo’s body) was written nearly a year ago.


 * I’ve corrected some oversights by adding tidbits on the allegedly cursed idol and the paddle battle to the Notes section. I’ll admit that I haven’t yet decided whether the curse will be real. So far I’ve purposely left that ambiguous, just as the original did. If I do decide to make it real, Katie and/or the Eagles might end up getting help from a certain intern who is scheduled to make an unrelated appearance in a few episodes. I am referring, of course, to Dawn.


 * As for the love note, you may (or may not—it was several months ago) have noticed that Courtney’s musings upon finding the note matched almost word for word Gwen’s musings upon finding the earlier note, with the differences stemming mainly from differences in the poems themselves. This was by design. I don’t think it’s giving away too much to say that Gwen and Courtney will eventually find a note together and will then launch an investigation, much as Gwen and Bridgette did in the original. Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:55, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I admit it, I was suckered! That's probably clear from the guessing game I've had in previous comments. I thought perhaps I had read it wouldn't be an intern, but maybe I just made that up in my head. Either way I was definitely sad at the death of Jo.

It was a really great scene. It gave me a really good mental image with a lot of the detail, even if it was grotesque. I also like everyone's dialogue around it, Izzy's mild reactions, Courtney analyzing and making conclusions, the way Eva mentioned it didn't take her heart and she would've liked to go head to head with Jo.

I think that is also such a nice part of it too. Jo was partially or seemed to be partially based on Eva and fans often compare them. I think that another thing I like about this scene is how this scene fans of Total Drama can get, knowing who the intern is in canon and the similarities between Jo and Eva adds a little something. I think that's a clever way of using what is a story based on a preexisting work.

I don't if the scene would be less strong if we didn't know about Jo though. Maybe we'd have less attachment to her, but the tragedy would still be felt.

Lightning's death is depressing too. I'm not a big fan of Lightning in the canon, but he seemed helpful in this story, especially the great Katie and Sadie incident. It's sad to see him go as well. Although based on your reply to Space, we'll be having another exciting encounter with an intern...

So Katie finds the idol? Not sure how I feel about the idol yet. I thought it was funny when Beth was late and found out about it. I think it would've been better if they had played it as questioning if the idol was really cursed or not, did the Screaming Gophers really just fail the challenges or was it other power. It might not have worked. I do think that using the idol as an excuse to eliminate Beth as she was showing a lot of her character development, and there was plenty of better choices [Owen being the biggest in my opinion].

I'm getting offtrack. I'm not sure how I feel about the idol yet, but it seems the idol won't be as awful. I like the conversation that emerges from Katie and Izzy about the idol. And, the really great way you have Katie's short term memory come into play. I feel so bad for poor Katie, and I'm worried what will happen with her now that she has the idol.

I do think it was interesting she got it to show Noah. I also like how it ties back into that simple conversation about the totem that just seemed like a small joke. I'm interested to see the developments that follow this.

And Courtney finds another love note? I'm starting to question if it is by Noah, as like Space said that is everyone's first assumption. The title of Diamond Maid, makes it harder to guess, and I'm trying to think of anyone connected to diamonds.

Heather's performance about seeing Harold's ghost really had me. For a second I thought you had Jo's death in there to trick us into believing a contestant wouldn't die and then kill off Heather. Heather makes a great argument as to why they should follow her plan.

Also the ending discussion between Sadie and Heather really struck me. I thought it was really intelligent for Sadie to ask that. And the way Heather says she doesn't believe in ghosts makes me think something related to ghosts will befall the queen bee.

Izzy's fire scene was great. I really like Izzy's comedic work in this episode, perhaps the most present she had been in any chapter. Perhaps my favorite thing is how she says "By The Power of Grayskull! or how she tries to say she has the power before it goes boom.

Hmm...curious to see what happens now that the RCMP has seen Izzy's explosion. I actually thought they wouldn't be brought up in the story, but now that they have I hope Izzy will be okay.

I thought it was odd for Heather to admit her plan, but I suppose it was better to be open about it. And Heather's plan was rather genius. I think it was actually much more clever than canon Heather, and I'd like to see more of her doing that [I voted that in the poll]. It was also pretty dark for canon Heather too, with lying about Harold's ghost.

And I love the paddle catfight Heather and Courtney go into. That's a great cliffhanger. My guess is that Courtney wins, partially due to the cursed idol. Although her paddle could break. What I really think will happen is that one of them will fall as they reach it or something like that, making it not count because it didn't have both members.

Another great chapter, I'm really excited to see how this one ends!  Code Red. Code Red Mountain Dew. It was pretty popular back then. Some might argue that it's popularity usurped that of regular Mountain Dew. I would argue...  20:33, September 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * The fact that Jo is widely seen as “Eva 2.0” was pretty much the entire dramatic reason for Eva reacting the way she did. As for Lightning, his canon counterpart seems full of himself but otherwise relatively inoffensive unless you get him mad. As an intern, being helpful is part of his job, and Lightning seems the type to strive for excellence in everything he does.


 * Ah, the idol. If it makes you feel better, Katie has a couple of things going for her when the idol’s nature comes to light. The first is that the campers are generally sympathetic to her right now. Second, LTDI Chris didn’t mention the curse during the challenge briefing. (He was supposed to, but I was a bit rushed and forgot to put that in, so the Katie/Izzy scene was something of a “saving throw”—and personally, I think it worked much better that way, because it made Katie’s brain damage dramatically important and gave Izzy another monologue.) And if the idol does get Katie eliminated or worse, you’ll just have to trust me that it won’t look contrived.


 * My take on the canon idol was that it didn’t have any supernatural power and was mainly there to set the stage for Beth’s contrived elimination. By the by, Katie didn’t take the idol just to show it to Noah. She (like canon Beth) took it because she thought it would make an interesting souvenir. The chance to take Noah down a peg is a bonus, as far as Katie is concerned.


 * I expect that Heather’s acting performance tricked a lot of readers, which was of course the intent. Being a good actor is a powerful asset to a villain, don’t you think?


 * The fire scene is an example of how I like to show my work, and I had a lot of fun creating a plausible(ish) setup for what in the original was just a sight gag that wasn’t necessarily supposed to make sense. Lilac once told me that one of the things she loves about my writing is my ability to come up with explanations for anything, and I’ll bet that she’ll get a kick out of Izzy’s atomic fire starter if she’s still reading LTDI. Likewise, I wanted to give a reasonable explanation for how the RCMP found Izzy. In the original, they swooped in from out of the blue, and the signal fire blast was just a throwaway sight gag. (See how it all ties together?) Speaking of the RCMP, if you remembered my Fake Souls chapter about Izzy, specifically the Notes, you would have known to expect them at some point.


 * Heather revealing her sabotage to her teammates was a calculated risk intended to boost what she could see was abysmal morale. More to the point, it was (in her eyes, anyway) another display of her fitness to be the Eagles’ leader. Of course she just did it for the good of the team, right? Of course it never even occurred to her that having to face one less elimination in the team phase would improve the odds of all her allies making it to the merge with her. Yeah, that’s the ticket.


 * Long story short, I intend for LTDI Heather to be not only a better strategist than her canon counterpart, but also a better leader while retaining the same basic personality. Unlike canon Heather, LTDI Heather is capable of actually respecting other players’ abilities, although such respect still doesn’t come naturally to her. Her main weaknesses at this point are her vanity and her enmity toward Gwen, both of which (as per canon) can make her lose sight of larger objectives. And she still doesn’t treat her allies very well, although she’s capable of being civil towards them. (Remember, she’s a good actress.)


 * As for the paddle battle, the Ben-Hur parody was one of the first things that I decided I wanted to do when I was originally sketching out LTDI’s story arc. Another was calling the Boney Island beavers "rodents of unusual size". Gideoncrawle  I have a song to sing, O!  Sing me your song, O!  A wandering minstrel, I--  03:46, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

The coming over the ridge to find the bodies had a movie-feel to it. Kind of a horror flick, which this chapter is. The scene was stark and full of energy, and finished as an epic saga, since the valiant warrior had slain overwhelming enemies before falling as a heroine. I loved it, and felt bad for Jo and proud of her, too. :D I might have felt even more empathy for an intern I didn't know, but it's wonderful that you're using ROTI's characters as the interns, since that way we get to know the interns. =)

Lightning's death seemed empty, somehow, since it was a meaningless death. Apropos that an entire hillside took him down, though. This team also missed the massive beavers, so they weren't as skittish as the other team became. Story possibilities there.

Katie and Izzy were good together, and I like how you showed that Katie's memory problems could be a major problem. I'm guessing the curse is just in everyone's minds, but of course anything bad that happens will be blamed on it, and therefore Katie. I'm looking forward to how you write that. :)

I was really surprised when Heather saw Harold's ghost, but then when she told Sadie why she screamed, I was pleasantly surprised. ;D Yay Heather finally being Heather! Great strategy, too! :) I'm surprised she told anyone her plan, but it makes sense. I'm wondering who will figure it out. :P

Izzy's firebomb was the best bit!!! I loved the TD fireball, and yours is incredible!!! xDD That radioactive Californium was da bomb!!! rofl It glows! I wish we could hear more about it, but nothing could be gained by repeating it, unless the RCMP interrogates her for us. ;)

Felt kind of rushed, but it was a fun adventure! ;) <font color="Blue">Jay JLOM <font color="Red"> But soon or late the man who wins is the man who thinks he can. -Author Unknown 05:25, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Fourteenth Night Polls
Did the Muskies really vote Courtney off after the Boney Island challenge? Yes. She’s bossy and they needed a scapegoat. No. Chris was just messing with her.

If not Courtney, then who did they vote off? Duncan Ezekiel Izzy Tyler

Why does Heather want to backstab Katie? It’s the power of the curse Heather found out about the curse Heather’s still mad at Katie and Sadie Heather no longer trusts Katie and Sadie Heather said from the beginning that she’d have to break them up sometime. Now’s as good a time as any.

Why is Heather targeting Katie instead of Sadie? She was influenced by the curse or knows about the curse She flipped a coin Katie’s damaged memory makes her less reliable Sadie’s shown that she’s a competent lieutenant The readers like Sadie better

Fourteenth Night Discussion
The fourtheenth night did not dissapoint :) It did seem a bit short to me, though it's probably because the challenge was finished in one night, which isn't usual. But I'm fine with that, as I enjoyed how the deer challenge was done (one of my favorite episodes).

So it seems Courtney lost the challenge. I was really unsure with that idol Katie got. But Heather managed to prevail. I love the phrase she said to Lindsay to get her to move faster. The race was close all the way to the end, and I enjoyed it throughly.

Part of the reason I thought the Screaming Eagles would lose, is that it seemed to be easy to tell who would go on their team. I like how the choices were examined, it just shows how hard it would really be. Haha, I love the added twist that the steaks were made of those beavers, that was genius. They don't let anything go to waste...though it makes me wonder what could've happened to the poor interns' bodies. I was really touched by Eva's ode to Jo.

I didn't even think much about Izzy knowing so much about the wine. It did feel like a pretty knowledgable thing for her to know, and felt a bit odd how she said that, but I just assumed that was Izzy. But the fact that Izzy is actually a criminal woman is crazy! I didn't expect that at all. I'm interested on how will see Izzy again...though I have my ideas.

It's sad to see Izzy go though. For one, I know she's easy and a favorite of yours to write, and a good source of comedy. I thought I remember a talk about Dawn meeting Izzy and seeing Sunshine, but I suppose that's been changed...or will be different than I thought. Speaking of which, I feel it's gonna be awkward thinking about Sunshine without Izzy, for the contestants. And poor Izzy and Beth :(

I don't think Courtney was really eliminated. She's too strong a player, just look at the talent show or phobia factor. Heck, even this challenge; she made the risky move of the more difficult path to keep up and was rocking the duel. Not to mention her close friendship with Zeke. My money was on Duncan, Izzy and Beth already had it out for him, and Courtney and Eva wouldn't mind joining in on that as well. Will these votes ever be revealed on a later date? I'm thinking towards a reunion.

I think it's sweet the Eagles learn the song. Although it certainly seems like something that might feel awkward given what seems like is going to happen. Heather's comment to Leshawna felt like it was there for us to assume Heather meant Leshawna when she told Katie and Sadie later. Nicely done.

I enjoyed Duncan getting served by Chris, a very Chris moment. The challenge outcome did feel rather inevitable. But I enjoyed the moments of it a whole lot more. I knew Heather would have to do the challenge, and not just from the preview, but from how Chris said could. I felt smart for that one.

The plane is a genius idea, and something I wish was actually done. I loved the idea and how well it worked. I loved the DJ and Heather moment. It was sweet, and rather genuine coming from Heather. I admit I can't remember exactly what favor DJ owned to Heather (or one of her servants as it was put). DJ actually has gotten some good focus this chapter, and now that I think about it, Heather and DJ would be a really cute couple.

I loved Beth's faking moment. It was too hilarious and given Beth's poor characterization in canon, I really enjoy LTDI's portrayal of her. The plane worked really well and I like how it's described (particularly The Flying Fish haha). I didn't expect Cody to run into the bear here for some reason, though it'd obviously be a good moment to play for drama.

I caught some of thee references this chapter, including the flawless victory and the Three Caballeras. Katie and Sadie's turn was exceptional. I like the argument, and how you can't tell who said what. It felt rapid pace to me, which I feel is what you were going for. And Heather's just desserts were wonderful.

Dang, I'm really interested to see how Heather's plans go down. It seems like a really risky gambit. I feel like Heather's plans could go a lot of ways. Heather can't really get anyone on her side, particularly because Cody and Noah want Katie to stick around (though Heather doesn't know that). Even if say Leshawna and Katie were tied votes, I feel Katie would be more likely to stay due to being a fan favorite and a better drama causer. Though Chris might hold a grudge.

Although maybe Heather is trying to make Katie and Sadie closer to her by making it seem like Katie was being targeted. And of course, Heather doesn't know about Katie's deal with Gwen, who might have to tell Gwen this. I almost wanna say it's Heather, but earlier it was said that Lindsay would turn against her, so we have to wait till then. I'm dying to see how this plays out!

Another good chapter, it had a lot of good character moments. Like I said, I can't wait for more!  Code Red. Code Red Mountain Dew. It was pretty popular back then. Some might argue that it's popularity usurped that of regular Mountain Dew. I would argue...  23:15, January 6, 2014 (UTC)