Hey, all! This is the talk page for Life After Lies. You can use this page to discuss the fanfic as I update! Any questions or comments you have about Life After Lies can go here. Thanks for visiting! Fadingsilverstar16 19:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- 1 How Do You Like Life After Lies?
- 2 Chapter 10 Discussion
- 3 Chapter Eleven Discussion!
- 4 Chapter 12 Discussion
- 5 Chapter 13 Discussion
- 6 Chapter 14 Discussion
- 7 Would It Matter- Skillet (lyrics) - Awake Breaking Benjamin - Give me a sign ( Full Song From Dear Agony Lyrics ) Breaking Benjamin - What Lies Beneath ( Full Song From Dear Agony Lyrics ) The Official LAL Playlist!
- 8 LAL's Fanlisting!
- 9 Chapter Fifteen Discussion
- 10 Backfill Discussion
- 11 Chapter 16 Discussion
- 12 The Unauthorized LAL Playlist
- 13 Return to Story Discussion
- 14 Chapter 17 Discussion
- 15 Chapter 18 Discussion
- 16 An Apology and a Thanks.
- 17 Closure
- 18 Amazing!
How Do You Like Life After Lies?
I meant for Life After Lies to be a continuation of Heather's story that takes place a few years after Total Drama Island ends. Do you like it? Do you think I handle Heather's character well? Talk about that here! Fadingsilverstar16 19:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I just found it, and will read later when I find time. But the first few sentences were amazing (is that even possible?). Sprinklemist 19:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Wow, Thanks! Let me know what you think of it when you finish reading. I already have seven chapters up on Fanficion.net, so I'll be updating pretty fast on this site. Fadingsilverstar16 19:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
All done. That was super-good! Heather is my favorite TDI character, and I love crime/mystery fiction so it's a good match for what I enjoy reading. I already know who it was that Heather is in charge of babysitting from the hints (I enjoy that character, too). Take a look at my story: Total Drama: Boney Island (if you have the time/interest), I think you might really enjoy it (judging by your style), but I could be wrong. Sprinklemist 21:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Heather's totally my favorite character, too. She really needs more love when it comes to fandom. I'm really glad you like it. Thanks for reviewing, and there will definitely be more to come very soon! (Maybe within the next day or so as I complete the 8th chapter.) Also, I'll be sure to read Total Drama: Boney Island and leave a comment for you. Thanks again! Fadingsilverstar16 21:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I look forward to more (I'll try not to peak at fanfiction.net). Sprinklemist 21:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh don't worry! Actually, I'll go ahead and up the second chapter here in a few moments. Hope you enjoy! Fadingsilverstar16 21:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Ugh! I don't have time to read it, again. I'll get there though, maybe tomorrow. Sprinklemist 21:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Alright. No rush. Fadingsilverstar16 21:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Read chapter two, thanks for posting. I love the way you take us inside Heather's thought process. I hope more people read your story here. Sprinklemist 19:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words. I hope so, too. Updates will probably come maybe tomorrow or early Saturday. Fadingsilverstar16 19:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I know, right? Sprinklemist 03:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Aw, thanks guys! Glad you like it! Fadingsilverstar16 05:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Chapter 4, just as good as the others. Sprinklemist 17:29, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! Chapter 5 should be up either today or tomorrow. Fadingsilverstar16 19:03, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Boo salt! Spoilers: Yay sugar! Sprinklemist 02:42, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Glad you guys like it! Chapter 6 will be up tomorrow, and the story should be completely up to date (when it comes to chapters) by next week. That means you guys will have to wait for me to crank out the 9th chapter like deviantart and Fanfiction.net. Fadingsilverstar16 04:14, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
(Sighs at the cliffhanger) Great chapter, the only small thing that I suggest you work on is proofreading, fixing the spelling errors. This chapter had a few less than the others. Loved the cameo of Heather's Mama. Sprinklemist 21:40, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for telling me about that. Yeah, stupid typos. >,< Chapter Seven should be up...now? Fadingsilverstar16 21:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Wow. Wow. Wow. This is incredible. The imagery. The suspense. The... the... the everything! Amazing job, Gigi! Also, am I the only one who knows about the A113 thing? ~Hi, it is TDI19!!! ...To......From... 01:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Aw, thanks TDI19! And yes, I put that in as a little homage to my beloved Pixar. Also, I'll tell you a secret. Heather's agent name is also a teeny homage to a Disney character (I'll give a hint, she's a princess). You can only guess it if you know your planets and moons. xD Fadingsilverstar16 18:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, that would be fantastic! Thank you so much! I can't wait to see it. And yeah, I've already started on my submission. I think I'm about...2/3 of the way done. Fadingsilverstar16 19:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
You get a cookie for being the first one ever to guess it right! Ah, Wikipedia, how we love you! Fadingsilverstar16 19:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Yay! I am smart!
Uh, no. Unfortunately, I cannot draw. xD And I'm too scared to ask anyone to draw one for me. Fadingsilverstar16 19:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, that would be great! I would love to see it! Thank you so much! ♥ Also, yeah, I'm about two-thirds done with my submission for TDAuthor. Can't wait to finish and submit it! Fadingsilverstar16 19:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Love this story. Please Please PLEASE update it.
Thanks! I'm working on the Ninth Chapter and it's coming along. I'll update ASAP!
HOLY CRAP THIS IS AMAZING!! Seriously, I read it all in one go just now and it just blew my mind! Life after Lies is in a different league from all the other stories on this wiki, and is undoubtedly my favorite story! Great job, Gigi! --^_^ : P XD AWESOME!! 00:18, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
And what league might that be? xD Haha, thank you so much!! I just love when you guys tell me you like my writing. It makes me feel like I'm not as bad as I think I am at it. ^_^ -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 01:34, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Let's put it this way. TDP is gold. A gold bar. This is platinum. (better than gold) Platinum. Autographed by Chuck Norris. Shaped like a supernova. THAT'S how awesome this story is!! --^_^ : P XD AWESOME!! 01:36, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Awwwwwww! Thank you! I'm sure Renny wouldn't like to hear that, though. xD Thanks for coming over to my dark little corner of the FF wiki. I don't get much recognition, so stuff like this always makes my day! -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 01:56, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Nalyd would understand... I think. I kinda don't get why you don't get much recognition. This fanfic proves that you are no doubt the best writer here! ^_^ *turns on a light* and now it is no longer dark! XD, when's the next chapter going to be up? --^_^ : P XD AWESOME!! 01:59, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Wow, this is really good! The parts with Noah or Heather getting injured made my heart skip a few beats! Let me know on my talk page when you've written new stories! My first kiss went a little like this, (kiss) And twist (kiss, kiss) And twist. 23:35, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! I'd love to post on your talk page when new chapters or stories come out, but knowing me, I'll forget. ^-^;;; So how about you add your name to my subscribers list on the TDI Camps wiki? I look on that everytime something new comes out. Again, thanks for the feedback! I'm very glad you like it. :) -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 02:37, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
Chapter 10 Discussion
Hey, guys! Discuss Chapter 10 here! I was using my thesaurus non-stop while writing this one. How well do you think I did with communicating emotions and most importantly, how well do I portray Noah and Heather? Do you think that they would react to their situation this way (taking into consideration the fact that this story takes place three years after TDI)? All feedback is appreciated! Fadingsilverstar16 19:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
THIS SHOULD BE A MOVIE. IT'S THAT GOOD. XD I seriously can't wait for chapter 11. I haven't followed a story with as much excitement as I follow this one with in years!!! Keep on writing Gigi! XD Sunshine + Ravioli 01:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
A movie? I'll be lucky if I even get a fanart. xD Thank you so much! It makes me so happy to know that people actually like my story! *does the happy dance* Yay! I sing the song of the fading silver star...
=D That would be awesome! Also, thanks for supporting me for featured story! =D A movie? I actually thought of doing a little trailer for it once. It would be bad, though. xD I sing the song of the fading silver star...
OK.... confession time. Up until today, I only read two chapters of this. I loved those two chapters. They merely scratched the surface of the other 8! I went to three, then four, and I had to read five! Could not hold myself back from six and seven and eight!! Then, I had to read nine and ten!!! WHERE IS ELEVEN!!!?!??!??? GiGi!! HURRY!!!!!!!!! Amazing! Amazing! YOU HAVE NAILED THIS STORY!!!!! It is so bleeping awesome!!! OK...... calming down!
Thank you guys! I feel loved now. Chapter 11 is coming, although not as fast because I'll be busy for the next week or so. I am constantly thinking about it, though. I still need to figure out how to make this certain plot point make sense before inserting it into the story. xD I sing the song of the fading silver star...
WOW! Thank you, thank you, thank you, Sprinkle! *dies of happiness* Do you have a deviantart account? You should totally go post your stuff on there! I can't wait to see what you do, too, TDI19! I 'm so happy right now! ♥♥♥♥♥♥ I sing the song of the fading silver star...
Poor dead, Gigi! You're welcome. Anyway, no to the deviantart account. I've seen some pretty amazing people on there. I don't think I fit in... SprinklemistSend me a message.Or not... 18:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Are you kidding me??!!? You're WAY better than some of the people on there. Trust me. Seriously, there's a Heather/Noah deviantart club, and it would mean so much to me if you posted it so I could flaunt it around! The picture is the first fanart someone's ever done for me! *dies of happiness again* I sing the song of the fading silver star...
Uh....yeah. It's been really hectic with all this crap I have going on in the last couple weeks, but I do know what I'm going to do for this chapter, though. I'm working on it. ^-^;;; Glad to see you all still care! xD I was starting to feel like I was gonna lose all my readers. xD of the fading silver star...
Yay! Thank youuu! I think you all deserve a spoiler. Chapter 11 = PLOT TWIST. *GASP!* Oh yes! I should also really get some polls up or something. You know, to keep people coming back. Hm...I sing the song of the fading silver star...
Chapter Eleven Discussion!
EEEEEEE CHAPTER 11. This fic is actually making me sort of like Heather. XD YAY I'M SO GLAD I GOT ONLINE NOW I GOT TO READ CHAPTER ELEVEN EEEHEHEEE. ...except now I'm itching to read chapter 12... CURSES!!!! (LOL, awesome as usual Gigi!) Sunshine + Ravioli 01:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
You read it? Already? That fast? Wow. 0.0 Thanks so much! For a second there, I kinda thought everyone was sick of my and my non updateyness. xD And yes, Heather is my favorite character *gets pelted by flying projectiles*. I don't know, I just like her! Noah, too! Don't ask me why, though. I sing the song of the fading silver star...
Yeah. XD I'm a freakishly fast reader. That, and I noticed the chapter was up three seconds after you posted it. XD And I may do a fanart... I'm kind of bored... XD Sunshine + Ravioli 02:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if the word "favorite" is the right way to describe it, but my heart practically stopped when those guys were trying to get the information out of that little girl. :( Sunshine + Ravioli 02:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I know. I wanted to have something like that in the story from the beginning. You know, I just really want to communicate what really goes on in the organization. I felt bad writing that scene, too. It's probably one of the darkest things I've ever written. I sing the song of the fading silver star...
I'm probably going to try to make an unofficial "cover" for the fic. It'll probably be a pencil sketch.--Tdiandrockmusic2 22:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, you did, Sprinkle. Yes, you did. xD Did you intend the above picture as like a cover or something? And by the way, what about that deviantart account, hmm? Seriously, you're better than most on there who do their stuff with MS Paint. No lie! I sing the song of the fading silver star...
I get confused when I try to register at places. >_< I didn't intend it as a cover, since TDI19 said he wanted to do one. I thought it would be a good illustration for chapter 3, though (I think that's the chapter it's based on...). SprinklemistSend me a message.Or not... 23:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that scene's from Chapter 3. Oh, don't worry! I'll help you if you get confused. And speaking of TDI19, I haven't seen him around lately.... WHERE ARE YOU, BUDDY? ;_; I sing the song of the fading silver star...
I know, right? ;_; Well, I guess I could take you guys' reactions as good signs, since I thought that scene would be a bit...y'know, Narmy. I still have problems with the dialog in that scene. I really didn't wanted to seem like a failed attempt at drama. That's the most violent thing I've ever written, but I felt like I really had to communicate how awful these people are to the audience. I sing the song of the fading silver star...
I think you succeeded. Very, very well. It ws dramatic and very inhuman. Also, if you could possibly incorporate another character, that would be cool. Don't get me wrong, you don't have to, just a suggestionTdiandrockmusic2 16:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
About the other character thing, I've already considered that. The answer? (Spoiler Alert!) Sorry, but nope, all major characters have been introduced. Actually, we're getting close to the home stretch. As for how many more chapters I'm planning. Let me think.... In all, I think it's gonna be about twenty chapters, as in 19 chapters plus an epilogue. So yeah, about nine more chapters to go! I sing the song of the fading silver star...
But... but once it's done, what will fill me with reading pleasure and happiness? And, uh, make me cry when the scary-dramatic stuff happens, of course... YOU BETTER WRITE MORE GIGI!!!!! XD Sunshine + Ravioli 20:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
You've...cried? Seriously? For real? Have you? If you have, please tell me when you did! I want to record it for future reference on what gets reactions from people. xD *gets out notebook and pen* And don't worry, I have some ideas floating around.... One involves all 22 campers plus Chris and Chef. I may not do it though, so I will tell no more save for the title: Revolution X. Sucky title, huh? xD I sing the song of the fading silver star...
Aww! *hands you a tissue* Thanks. Well, there's definitely three more big sad scenes coming up, and maybe I'll throw in a few more moments as the story goes one, but it's not likely since I really don't want to go over twenty chapters. I sing the song of the fading silver star...
Nalyd, upon reading that comment, a giant grin spread across my face. I still haven't stop smiling. Think of that what you will.... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! xD I sing the song of the fading silver star...
Heh, you know, there was going to be a dog that kind of follows Heather around.
It dies. But I decided against it early on. But what surprises me is that you want Heather to have a happy ending? Even the girl herself would be shocked! I sing the song of the fading silver star...
Hm...I'll consider it for some other story, but I already know what I'm gonna do for this one. ;) Anyway, hey, are there any other PG-13/R rated stories on this wiki? Most of them seem to be rated G/PG. I sing the song of the fading silver star...
I think there is another one, but this is the only good one. I should write a story about Heather and a puppy, but it won't die, LOL. --Nalyd Renrut - Legendary Snipe! FIRE EVERYWHERE! 21:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to take Spanish, but there's no classes this year and last year, it was full so I had to take the language of surrender. AKA French. TDIRM here! 12:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I took French last year. Didn't learn a thing, but I count myself lucky because my school doesn't grade French. If they had, I would've tarnished my record with a B-. xD Anywaaaaaaaay, so what do you guys like best about the story? I sing the song of the fading silver star...
I like everything about this story. Especially how you make Heather look good. You should do a story involving Courtney. A lot of people on this site don't really like her. And you turned us all into Heather-lovers. They are turning my head out to see what I'm all about. Keepin' my head down, to see what it feels like now
Thank you! From the absolute beginning, I knew that this was going to be a story that was going to attempt to make Heather into more than a blood-sucking vampire harpy. As for Courtney...I don't know! I actually think I'm best at writing Heather, of all people, but Courtney would certainly be interesting... I never really thought about writing Courtney. I'll consider it, but I kinda like centering in on Heather. I turned you guys into Heather-lovers? Really? Yay! I don't know why I ever became a Heather fan. I used to hate her like everyone else. Hm...I sing the song of the fading silver star...
Chapter 12 Discussion
Okay, for the people who were expecting action, don't worry, I've got some stuff planned for you guys. I'm sorry about the whole update thing! I know I've been really bad with that, lately. How did you guys like this chapter? -- I sing the song of the fading silver star...
It was good, but it kinda seemed like you stopped it in the middle.-- They are turning my head out to see what I'm all about. Keepin' my head down, to see what it feels like now
Look right. I also think I screwed something up.-- They are turning my head out to see what I'm all about. Keepin' my head down, to see what it feels like now
Cool picture! Yeah, I kinda didn't know what to do with this chapter, so I just kind of went with it. The main thing was to set up the next couple of chapters, so nothing special really happens in this one. I kind of didn't wanna leave on a cliffhanger for once, too. Maybe the "stopping in the middle" thing comes from me eliminating a little scene at the end, which I'll put in the next chapter or I might just leave it out completely. Over all, this chapter = fail. *headdesk* -- I sing the song of the fading silver star...
This should be better if possible, enlargen it please. I have no idea how. The camera lanyard got in the way, but it's no big deal.-- They are turning my head out to see what I'm all about. Keepin' my head down, to see what it feels like now
Chapter 13 Discussion
*proceeds to squeal like Katie/Sadie for an extremely long period of time as a result of chapter 13 finally being up* Now write chapter 14. (LOL I'm one to talk... *glances at her half-dozen uncompleted stories XD*) Sunshine + Ravioli 16:42, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
Epic!!! XD Heather's gonna have to die her hair or something if she wants to stay hidden. (...why didn't someone think of that before? XD) HeatherxNoah = Rapidly becoming my new fave non-canon couple. Just because it's in this. XD Going rabid waiting for more. Sunshine + Ravioli 16:52, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
This...was...AWESOME!!!(Owen moment. Even though I hate him.) Loved how you finally advanced the NoahxHeather relationship. The plot didn't advance much, but I'm fine with that. We need a bit more of a setup before the confrontation if the story will be twenty chapters.--Tdiandrockmusic2 16:56, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks guys! I actually had a lot of fun writing this chapter. I felt like that last scene was a really big step for me in the romance department, and I'm really happy to know that you all like it! LOL Sunshine! I actually considered having her change her appearance more than once, but I've personally always been a fan of Heather's hair (because when I press mine, it looks a lot like hers used to! Y'know...when she wasn't bald. xD) I also like the idea of her keeping it short, too, so that's what I went with. -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 20:38, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
Chapter 14 Discussion
Really? Thanks! Funny, I'm actually more excited for people to see the cover art for the first time than the new chapter. xD -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 19:57, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
*squeals and flails arms in an extremely fangirly way* Awesome chapter, Gigi!!! If a bit depressing... of course, every time I finish reading a chapter of this, I kind of stare for a minute at the screen, then start foaming at the mouth a little as I wonder what happens next. Curse you and your epically awesome cliffhangers. XD Sunshine + Ravioli 21:31, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
Really? I was so dissatisfied with this chapter when I wrote it, but I guess it's not that bad. Thank you so much! That just made my day. (Btw, what do you think of the cover art? XD) -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 21:45, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
This chapter was great Gigi. It's interesting to see Heather-the-vampire-harpy appear so...weak. Seeing her, as so overconfident, then trying to kill herself, it's so strange. The knife is epic too, I already said it slashed Sprinkle and my fanarts in half.Speaking of horrendously late chapter,s chapter four of the Penthouse is up.-- They are turning my head out, to see what I'm all about 21:59, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
Aww, thank you guys! I know, right? I wasn't really sure about what to do with this chapter, at first, so I just decided to throw in some character development to make it memorable. xD Chatango, anyone? -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 22:55, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
We has LAL here! Awesome. I've just realized that the title, "Confessions", speaks both for the actual events of the chapter and what was left unsaid. AKA, Heather and Noah's unspoken feelings for each other. :D --CamperThirteen 01:31, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
Feelings? What feelings? *whistles innocently* Great, now you have me grinning like an idiot. And here I was thinking that I should've added in more romantic development. I guess I was wrong.... xD As for the romance, you guys'll just have to wait and see. -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 01:48, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
Hehe. Now I'm grinning like an idiot. But I think you're doing great on the romantic development. Given the situation they're in, it's not like they can stop and wonder why they feel so mushy inside. Instead they wonder why they feel anything at all, period. The feelings are still there, though, and the fact that the characters themselves don't see it yet is very refreshing. So it's a show-don't-tell situation. Which makes me feel that I should be more subtle with my romance stories too... --CamperThirteen 01:58, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
Wow. Thank you so much! I think that might've been the first literary analysis of something I've written EVER. I'm not worthyyyyyy. (P.S. I never thought I'd get to the point of having my work of being analyzed. This day must be recorded in history! :D) -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 02:08, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
I know, I thought so too when I was writing it. I thought, "Whoa, am I doing a literary analysis of a fanfic? Gigi's definitely on a whole 'nother level than the rest of us unworthy mortals..." LOL. Seriously, I never ever ever do literary analysis of other fanfic. --CamperThirteen 04:01, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah. This is definitely one for the record books. xDDDD Anyway, thank you so much! Another life's dream of mine fulfilled, even if it is just a little one. It's still awesome! :DDD -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 05:30, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
I love it, I love it, I love it. This story rocks, and I've only gotten to read chapters 1 through 5. I promise I'll finish it soon. Did I mention I love it? --BocaJ's the name,Comedy's my game.Go ahead and chat with me. 01:15, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome GiGi. I'm on chapter 13 now. If I could describe I would describe it as awesome, incredible, the kind of dark that I find interesting, it deserves to be featured, and it rocks to the mountains. *Wonders what he just said* I'm going to finish chapters 13 and 14! *Goes to read* --BocaJ's the name,Comedy's my game.Go ahead and chat with me. 02:56, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
The Official LAL Playlist!
LAL has a playlist, now! This was TDIRM's idea, one that I honestly never thought would happen, but it has and I'm very happy! So here's are the songs, plus a poll to see which one you like best. The one the most people like the best will become LAL's official theme song. The poll will close whenever I post Chapter 15, so you all have plenty of time to vote. xD
Admittedly, I went for PDA, it's an all-time favorite for me. No, wait, Rebirthing fits better. But Interpol FTW. Aaaargh, can't decide, just like Gigi! -- They are turning my head out, to see what I'm all about 23:03, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. So many good choices! In the end, though, Arrival to Earth is always gonna be my choice. I just think it fits the overall tone of the story, and it will really fit this one scene at the very end that I'm not telling you about. xD -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 21:08, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
The following isn't an official LAL theme song candidate; but I offered it to Gigi and she seemed to like it, so readers of this page might like it as well. It's the first verse and introductory recitative of a song from Ruddigore, the same Gilbert & Sullivan operetta that yielded my username. (For those who don't know the terms, "operetta", aka "comic opera" aka "light opera", would be called a "musical" if written today. "Recitative" is essentially operatic talk-singing, and tends to not be very tuneful.) Clicking the link will take you to a website where you can hear the tune on a MIDI file. "The Old Bailey" is a colloquial name for London's Central Criminal Court, and "dear" is a no-longer-common synonym for "expensive". Anyway, here it is:
Go, Moral Force!
To Virtue’s plea
A long farewell—
I ring your knell!
Come, guiltiness of deadliest hue!
Come, desperate deeds of derring-do!
Henceforth all the crimes
That I find in the Times,
I’ve promised to perpetrate daily;
Tomorrow I start,
With a petrified heart,
On a regular course of Old Bailey.
There’s confidence tricking,
Bad coin, pocket picking,
And several other disgraces—
There’s postage stamp prigging,
And then, thimble-rigging,
The three-card delusion at races!
Oh! A baronet’s rank is exceedingly nice,
But the title’s uncommonly dear at the price!
Um...hi! It's me. Gigi. Yeah, I know I should be working on Chapter 15 right now, but I just came up with an idea! If you like LAL, please sign your signature under here! I'm just doing this so I know how many readers I have. You guys are awesome, and thanks a bunch for all the support! -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 18:32, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- ME LOVE LAL! GO LAL FOR FS! Goldenshane 18:39, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- SprinklemistCyan is the new green. 18:54, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- If LAL wins FS this month, as now seems likely, I have something planned to commemorate the event. (Gigi already knows about this.) Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 19:12, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- LAL IS CHUCK NORRIS SUPERNOVA PLATINUM AWESOME!!!!! xD --☆ HERE'S SPENNY!! Oh wait, I gotta go! Cya(n)! 19:36, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- LAL is like MacGyver, He can take two things (ITC(In This Case) Heather and Noah) And turn them into something epic--Kenzen Eleven! 19:47, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Gigi, you knew deeep in your soul that I would sign. With the lights out, it's less dangerous. Here we are now, entertain us 19:52, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- LAL can also be spelled WIN. XD --Sunshineandravioli- Legendary Pixie! RAVIOLI EVERYWHERE! 20:53, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, 'duh'. CamperThirteen 01:15, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm probably the biggest fan ever /*gets trampled and slapped by other mega-fans XD*/ Alright, alright, I'm one of the biggest fans ever. ^-^ " You're 30% arrogant, 30% ignorant, and 40% idiot!" " Yep, she soo has a crush on me." Nickelodeon has the best lines. XD 22:25, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
Chapter Fifteen Discussion
Well, there you have it. Chapter 15. Enjoy, all. And for once, you guys are the first to get it! Usually, I'll upload it to Fanfiction.net first and then transfer it to here, but I thought you guys deserved it first, so here it is. :) -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 04:29, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
Impressive. With LAL a full year in the making, it offers a fascinating opportunity to watch a young writer mature. This is most evident in the narrative description, which is one of the major factors that set LAL apart from most of the writing on the wiki. While richly detailed from the beginning, in the early chapters the descriptive detail seemed a bit clumsy or forced at times. In the later chapters, it is more polished and natural.
The dialogue doesn’t show as much change over the course of the story, if only because it started at a higher level. Frankly, I wish I had Gigi’s ear for dialogue. I have noticed that, in most of the stories I have read on the wiki (admittedly, not yet a high percentage of the total available), the characters tend to speak mainly in short, declarative sentences, which can make for a choppy or even a scriptlike feel. LAL has no shortage of such dialogue where the situation warrants, but freely mixes it with more complex dialogue, thereby giving a more natural flow overall. All in all, LAL—especially in the later chapters—has the feel of something by a much older writer. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 05:28, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
Awesome chapter Gigi! It's awesome! Very cliff hangery. Goldenshane 11:08, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
I never thought this day would come *sheds single tear*. That was great. Ecept when right in the middle of reading it, I had to leave the house for an hour and a half (=-(). Noah's got himself a dirty little secret, doesn't he? I just love all the descriptive scenes in this story, it feels like all of this stuff is real. Not that I want it to of course. But still, this was suich an epic build-up, you deserve a reward. *hands Gigi his sacred copy of Brand New Eyes* Bear it well. With the lights out, it's less dangerous. Here we are now, entertain us 15:00, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks guys! Your feedback really means a lot. I'm so glad you all like my little story!
@Gideon: Wow. Fantastic review! I'm honored that you think that I've improved. Over the past year, I've been trying to work at developing a style that just comes naturally to me, and though I think I still have a looooooong way to go, I'm very glad to know that I'm apparently making a little progress! Yeah, description is the thing I most focus on when writing, so dialogue always kind of takes a back seat to that. I'm flattered at your compliments, and I'll keep trying my hardest to improve! :D
@Spenny: That's okay! You can read it whenever you have time. Have fun in D.C.!
@Shane: Thanks! Yeah, I wasn't planning on ending with a cliffy, but it was getting waaaay too long and I ended up having to just cut it off at some point.
@TDIRM: Ooooooh, shiny! *takes it and cuddles it* Thank you! xD And yeah, Noah does have himself a dirty little secret, but...oh, you'll find out later. ;)
*does the happy-happy-new-LAL-chapter dance* O JOYOUS DAY! When I got the subscriber notice I literally looked up to the ceiling and screamed, "YES!!!" And man, was that chapter worth the wait. Action, secrets, foreshadowing, and the father-son showdown we've all been waiting for! Furthermore, I have a new appreciation for serious fics like this, since I've been working on one recently, and, well... yours is better. DX I can't wait for more, Gigi! YOU ROCK SO DANG MUCH!!! *sits down with popcorn and waits impatiently for the next chapter* --Sunshineandravioli- Legendary Pixie! RAVIOLI EVERYWHERE! 20:52, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
xD Thank you! Yeah, this one was definitely an experience to write.The whole father-son showdown event's one I've had stuck in my head from the beginning, and it's something I've just been itching to write. And it's not even over yet! I'm so glad that you liked it, Sunny! Your feedback always makes my whole day. :D -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 21:25, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
Yay! I'm glad! :D Your stories always make, like... my entire week. XD Say, you've got experience with serious stories... do you think you'd be able to look at some tidbits of mine and give me some feedback (on the secret wiki we used for discussing LAL pictures, which I'll do once I have access to my scanner and photoshop again, perhaps)? I could really use the feedback, especially since I'm really leaning towards posting the story. It's non-TDI, and IDK if you know the series or not, but hopefully you'd be able to follow it, and failing that I could provide links to info about the setting. Do you think you could help? :) --Sunshineandravioli- Legendary Pixie! RAVIOLI EVERYWHERE! 21:29, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
Nice chapter. I read it when proofreading, but it was quite nice. :) SprinklemistCyan is the new green. 17:12, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
I'm so amazed by this chapter Gigi. You did really good... I seriously think you could be a famous author some day. Happy April!Come talk with me and I'll give your town rain.Cya (N) 00:36, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
First of all, this story just replaced Legacy as my favorite story on the wiki. This chapter was phenomenal! Brilliantly written, bleeding with emotion and drama, and well, I couldn't stop reading it. I LOVED the confrontation between Noah and his father. Amazing chapter Gigi!!! --DJ Spenstar! 21:33, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, guys! I'll start on Chapter 16 on Monday, and if I have anything to say about this next chapter, it's that I sure do love taking risks.... ^_^;;;;;; -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 22:00, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
In Chapter 8, you changed the line
the little digital clock in the top right corner read seven AM.
the little digital clock in the top right corner read seven in the morning.
I think the original is better, because you're talking about the actual clock display. However, "AM" should probably be "A.M." Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 05:39, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, you think so? I thought the "AM" was a bit awkward, and I'd also noticed that other punctuation mistake you pointed out and that's when I decided to just remove it completely. It's so minor that I don't really mind putting it back in, though. -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 00:57, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Gideon. It wouldn't read "seven in the morning". XD SprinklemistCyan is the new green. 01:58, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
Chapter 16 Discussion
Eh...I dunno. This one feels a bit...stuffy, in terms of writing style. Yeah, I know, but "stuffy" is the only was I can describe it. Whatever. I hope you guys enjoy it! Certainly took me long enough. >.< -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 20:10, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
Aw. I liked it (other than the swearing XD). It certainly had loads of drama, and a range of emotions. I think you did really good on it. SprinklemistCyan is the new green. 20:35, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, THIS WAS AMAZING! Aside from the swearing, this has to be my favorite chapter. Gigi, this is amazing, pure epicness! I truly believe that LAL is the best story that this has, have, and will ever see on the wiki. Gigi, you could publish this as a book, it's that good. Goldenshane 22:02, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
Awww, really? I'm honored! Yeah, would it surprise you if I said that I'd had the twist in this chapter planned since like...forever? Like, forever forever. Also, apologies for the length. I honestly didn't expect to get to 6530 words. O.O As for the swearing, I really couldn't imagine it happening any other way. I'd been saving the swearing, actually. You probably won't ever see it again. Thanks you guys! I'm so glad you liked it. :D -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 22:55, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
Twas' Super-Strength Buffalo Chuck Norris Certified Awesomesauce Gigi! That climax was just amazing, and I love the plot twist, as tragic as it is. I didn't notice any errors, buck I'm rather bad at that, sooo. Anyways, I will be making a fanart for this chapter. I don't know exactly what yet, possibly the moments before Carolyn's death, possibly Noah catching Heather, I don't know. But speaking of fanarts, can you please place the two fanarts I already did where they should go in the actual story please, unless you don't want to of course. This was just a fantastic job, please disregard yourself for the millionth time. XDI love you when you dance when you're freestyling trance So pure such an expression 02:16, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I can verify. She had that twist in mind for forever. XD SprinklemistCyan is the new green. 02:32, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch, TDIRM! I'm so glad you liked the plot twist, because I was having some real doubts if people would roll with it or not. And of course I'll put the fanarts up, but I'll have to do it after I fix the formatting for some of the chapters. The coding always screws up every time I post a chapter. Aaaargh. >.< -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 04:21, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I could string together a bunch of glowing (and completely deserved) superlatives like some of the other commenters have, but I trust you know me well enough by now to know that that is not my way. So, I will simply say this: very nicely done. And no, I don't think your writing in this chapter was the least bit "stuffy"; although, given my own formality with language, I admittedly may not be the best judge of that. (And by the bye, I think I may have a couple of playlist additions.)
On a less fawning note, I don't understand why you changed the story's rating to R. The description of the PG-13 rating allows limited violence and profanity ("some language or violence that may not be appropriate..."). One "bullshit" and one "F" (without even spelling out that word of Germanic origin that originally meant, "to thrust or strike") isn't enough to require an R rating. Erring on the side of caution, as you seem to have done, will only scare off some younger readers (or parents thereof) who would, in fact, be perfectly capable of handling what you have put forth. Granted, mine isn't the last word, but I say that the original PG-13 rating is still appropriate for LAL.
On a more personal note, the description of Carolyn's death reminded me of an incident from my own childhood. I was 10 years old, and my kid brother was 4. We were walking along a lake shore, he a few paces behind me. I must have heard him fall in, although I have no memory of that; but I turned around and saw him drowning a few feet from the shore. (Drowning doesn't look like the way it's usually depicted. The drowning person can't thrash or call for help or assist his own rescue in any way, and basically just sits there with his arms extended and his head tilted back.) Anyway, I waded in--the water was about shoulder-deep to me--and fished him out.
Based on the apparent chronology, Noah was probably too young to be left in charge of Carolyn in the first place. So, why does Wilshire blame Noah? The blindness of despair, presumably. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:29, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Wow, I'm glad you were able to save your brother, and yeah, I imagined Noah as about...eleven at the oldest when writing that, which would make him too young to be watching her. Wilshire knew it, too. Not only did he wrongly blame his son for the whole incident (to keep the blame away from himself), he also used it to justify leaving Noah to die simply because the money and the "perfect" life he was living were too important to him.
You're gonna have some new stuff for the playlist? Awesomeness! I can't wait to see the new additions. :D
Yeah, I actually changed the rating not only because of the language, but because I have a scene planned that's a bit...violent. I don't wanna give too much away, but I guess I'll change the rating back once I describe what's gonna happen to Sprink and he says that he thinks it would still be okay. If I did change it back, it would end up being a very, very high PG-13, almost to the point of pushing it because of this particular scene, and there's a chance more (less violent but still pretty bad) scenes will happen and then I just won't have a choice. It could go either way at this point. Thanks for all of the input, Gideon! I always enjoy reading your reviews; they're so detailed! ^-^ -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 05:04, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I have a question regarding the rating issue. (If you're concerned about giving out spoilers, you can just ponder it without answering.) Will the upcoming violent scene be more violent or more graphic than the scene in Legacy? No one has objected to that story's PG-13 rating. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 05:27, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I hadn't thought of that. I can't say anything, really, but you'll find out soon since it takes place within the next couple of chapters. Thanks for reminding me of that scene. That's definitely something to consider.... -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 05:41, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Just trying to help. It would be a shame for this story to have such a restrictive rating if it's not truly warranted. (And if it IS truly warranted, then that's the way it will be.) Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:05, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. I guess I could change it back for the time being, at least until the part I'm a bit worried about is written. Also, on an unrelated note, LAL has 71 reviews on Fanfiction.net now. O.O -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 04:06, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
I think that's best. Cross the bridge when you get to it. As for LAL's 71 reviews on Fanfiction.net, I'll take your word for it that that's a lot, since I have no experience to speak of with that site. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:17, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
Seventy-one is pretty decent for a story on Fanfiction.net, though the really popular ones tend to have 100+ and the super popular ones sometimes have more than 1000. I guess it really depends on the average review count per chapter. LAL averages about...four reviews a chapter, although the earlier chapters don't have many reviews. It's the later chapters that rake them in. It's not really all that popular; I was just kinda happy at the number. The FF.net reviews have always made me smile, though, and I guess that's the more important thing. Quality over quantity and all that. :D -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 04:45, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
When I learned of the official LAL playlist that Gigi and TDIRM compiled, I put together an unauthorized LAL playlist of my own. Note that it is "unauthorized" only in the sense that Gigi did not screen proposed additions beforehand. I plug my playlist here with her knowledge and her blessing, and she positively gushed over the playlist itself, which I posted on my blog page when LAL won Featured Story honors back in April.
The playlist is drawn from the Gilbert & Sullivan series of light operas, with over 1,000 lines of verse--that's more than 11 of the 14 operas have--and 32 (and counting) selections. Current playing time is about 74 minutes. Click throught the link above to check it out. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:00, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
I have finished the Chapter 16 playlist additions. The playlist now has a total of 37 selections (including 7 from Chapter 16), 1200 lines of verse (that's more than any of the operettas have) and a playing time of over 80 minutes. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 21:01, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
On 9 September (10 September UTC) this playlist had the honor of being the very first recipient of Gigi's new award: the Official Fadingsilverstar16 Sparkly Rainbow Seal of Approval. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:42, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
I have posted the Chapter 17 playlist additions. Eight songs (now 45 in toto), almost 200 lines of verse (now almost 1400 lines in toto), these additions increase the total playing time by 20 percent. If the music still existed for the verses from Thespis, the playlist would now be as long as a typical feature film. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 20:07, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
Return to Story Discussion
Arms so right, it's ill! Worth one-fifth of the mil!I’ll pay you back somehow! Pineapple-head me now! 00:27, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
Even though I am terrible at drawing and creating, I wanted you to have this!
Chapter 17 Discussion
Yes, this was planned. Just like the plot twist in the chapter before, I've had this in mind from almost the very beginning, and now it is finally here. I could spend forever yapping about this chapter and all of the ~~significance~~ it has to the story and all of the ~~foreshadowing~~ and that crap, but I think I'll let you guys decide for yourselves when it comes to that. So yeah, what a tweest, huh? Am I improving or not? I sure hope I am. >.> I sure hope you guys enjoy the chapter, and muchas gracias to everyone who gave me their seal of approval! You guys rock, and you may now roast this chapter as you please. ♥ -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 01:57, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! I got a mention! EEEEEEEEEEE! Now, onto what I thought about the chapter. I think this chapter was great! We got to see what Heather felt about everything, instead of what she thought about at the moment. The only problem I see, is what the heck did Noah do? Of course, I'm probably just forgetting stuff. Anyway, I loved this chapter, and it was SO worth the wait! Goldenshane 02:23, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
THAT WAS AWESOME BEYOND AWESOME! *dies of pure squee for getting a mention* Wonderful chapter as always, Gigi. This chapter would be a crowning moment of awesome... if it was anything but LAL. While I loved the major plot points and what Heather's going through being shown n' told, this was not one of my favorite LAL chapters. Mainly because the cliffhanger from this particular chapter kinda pissed me off. But, again, this chapter was amazing! --DJ Spenstar! 02:26, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
LOL, sorry I pissed you off, Spenny, but thanks! And Shane, I didn't point it out (though I actually did in an earlier draft, but took it out at the last minute) but really, it's meant to be Heather's punishment, too. Him being tortured not only feeds Rhodes' growing insanity, but hurts her as well. The organization knows that, and Rhodes was planning on killing Noah, anyway, mostly because he still can't let the thing about Wilshire go. All in all, insanity drives this plot, and not just the insanity of the characters. >D -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 02:53, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
So, Heather and your readers were expecting Rhoades to be mad, and he turned out to be clever. (I.e. "crazy like a fox.") And it sounds like Charlie & Co. are planning a coup of sorts, which sounds like sequel fodder. Nice twists, and a most effective cliffhanger. I don't recall the specific foreshadowing you alluded to, but I'm prepared to believe that it was there and I simply forgot it. (This is, after all, a long story that can go a long time between updates. I'll have to reread it from the beginning when it's finished.) As far as the warehouse scene being meant to punish Heather as much as Noah--probably Heather more than Noah--that seemed clear enough to me. In any case, my overall impression was that this chapter is your most sophisticated writing to date. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 06:12, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
Sequel fodder? Maybe. You'll just have to find out about that. :D Thanks so much! I'm honored that you think I've improved. I'm thinking of taking the next couple of days off and then starting on Chapter 18 on... Thursday, since I don't have school and I can spend some time working on it. Maybe not, though. I'll just have to see about that. Anyway, I hope you guys are looking foward to more, since I definitely have more in store for you all. ^-^ -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 18:59, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
Holy ravioli Gigi, you seriously just made my whole day better in your usual epic, dark, torturous way. XD I'm seriously trembling right now just from the sheer awesomeness of the chapter. The writing is amazing (you're definately improving, and you've always been great anyways, so don't get so down on yourself!!!), the torture scene chilling, Charlie just popped out of nowhere to become one of the most important characters in the story (I love it when characters do that :D), and the cliffhanger leaves me awaiting the next chapter even more rabidly than usual. The continuing tragic tale of Heather and Noah definately recieves my own sparkly rainbow tears of sadness for them yet happiness at how amazing the story is (now with ravioli flavor, to differentiate from Gigi's sparkly rainbow tears XD) --Sunshineandravioli- Legendary Pixie! RAVIOLI EVERYWHERE! 22:33, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
Wow, thanks alot! (My sparkly rainbow tears are bubblegum flavored, so it's all good. :3) Yeah, I was planning on having Charlie there from the beginning to introduce a couple of key things (which he already mentioned, really, but we'll actually see them later), and having him being part of 'la Resistance' was also something that I considered for him way back in the day. (Also I find myself liking Charlie waaaaaaaay too much? Maybe? xD) I'm so glad you liked it, Sunny! I always adore your feedback. It always makes me smile! <3 -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 23:46, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
Charlie's appearance had a deus ex machina flavor to it, but it works in this case because we're seeing events through Heather's eyes, and she's not omniscient. Quite the contrary--with all her rookie mistakes, Heather was right to believe that she'd been very lucky up to this point. I do have to wonder, however, about DeMiller's decision to assign Heather to Noah when he apparently did know their history, after all. It would have made more sense to harden Heather by degrees, unless DeMiller already suspected that Heather didn't have what it takes and so was reluctant to "throw good money after bad".
Anyway, Gigi, nicely done (again). And congratulations, for it now looks like LAL will end up with a high enough word count that you can realize your ambition of legitimately calling it a novel. More to the point, you are clearly going to reach that threshold without throwing in a lot of padding. On a peripherally related note, I already have several candidates for additions the the LAL-G&S playlist. They may not all make it in, but there will definitely be multiple additions, probably in the next few days. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 00:17, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yaaay! I can't wait to see them. Yeah, about the Charlie thing, I already have a vision in my head of him overhearing that conversation and suddenly getting super pissed off in a "Really, Heather? REALLY?" kind of way, and then he decides that everything's gone far enough and jumps into action. xD And Heather's job was actually fairly light compared to what the others were doing. Really, she was only assinged to do the "easy" stuff, the stuff that the "real" agents couldn't be bothered with. You were right about DeMiller, too. And yeah, and I'm not actively trying to reach 45,000 anyway. If I do, yay! If I don't, oh well. -- I sing the song of the fading silver star...
At this point, I don't see how you could fail to reach 45,000 words. You need a little less than 3500 words, and at this point I really don't see how you could properly wrap up the story in less than that. Indeed, the last chapter to have fewer than 3500 words was Chapter 13. (Chapter 15 was right on the edge.) Your last two chapters--by far the story's longest to date--were 6400 and 7400 words. Besides, we have it on good authority (i.e. yours) that the next chapter won't be the last. You once said that your plan (at that time, anyway) was for 19 chapters, give or take, plus an epilogue. Even allowing that the epilogue might well be relatively short, we can safely say that not only are you going to pass the magic 45,000 threshold, but it's not likely to be particularly close. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:33, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
Well yeah, actually. That doesn't seem so bad. Actually, with the way the plot has expanded in my mind, we have a few more chapters plus an epilogue at the very least, so yay! Y'know, all these years, I was under the impression that the actual novel word count was 50,000 words, but I remember doing research on that a while ago (because of LAL) and finding out that 45,000 was the minimum. Getting to 50,000 would make me the happiest camper in the world, though! I sure hope I do. :D -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 05:26, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
Plot? Expanded? Crap, now it won't be finished until 2012! XD.
Anyways, I'm back. For realz. And I'm going to have a blog post up in a few minutes.
Another anyways, this story somehow added another layer of complexity to this story. The cliffhangers are actually starting to get very, very, VERY old. While it is a respectable trope, you're beginning to border on overusage.. I still think she didn't shoot Noah though, intstead it was that guy who's name I already managed to forget. XD Still, the emotions remain painfully beautiful, and they finally are starting to admit a relationship, which is always great. But I can't describe this story overall... becasue my knowledge of the early story became hazy a long time ago... but finding that the story is closer to completion most certainly is a nice thing to know.I love you when you dance when you're freestyling trance So pure such an expression 18:15, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, c'mon, if there hadn't been a cliffhanger, this chapter would be another 7000 words long and this story really wouldn't be finished until 2012. xD Anyway, yeah, I know. I'll try to contan myself when it comes to those. This'll probably the last cliffhanger since there isn't much plot left to go through, anyway.
And I know right? I just kind of want it to end already, too. It's been a long year. Sometimes I wish I could say "and then they made out and that's what you guys were waiting for, right? THE END." Satisfying enough? And then I can quit, put my notebook somewhere where I can't see it, and take a writing vacation for the rest of my life. xD
I have to disagree with TDIRM on one point. I don't think it's possible to overuse cliffhangers (although they can be done poorly, which you haven't). Exhibit A: The 1,001 Nights, wherein the storyteller Shahrazad (Scheherezade) ends with a cliffhanger every night. Every. Single. Night. Indeed, because you are posting as you go, with long breaks between chapters, the multiple cliffhangers are now giving LAL the feel of an old-fashioned serial. Lest there be any confusion, I don't consider that a bad thing.
And just to show you that I practice what I preach, as well as to demonstrate my support for the way you are handling LAL, I'm going to let you (and, perforce the other readers of this page) in on a secret. I haven't told anyone before, because I don't think anyone else here has done it before and I didn't want anyone scooping my idea, but The 1,001 Nights (or, to use the full title, The Book of the Thousand Nights and One Night) is my structural model for LTDI. (I previously said only that LTDI would be patterned after "one of the world's great literary classics". You can now see that I wasn't kidding.) This manifests in several ways, but the one that's relevant here is that, until the very end, EVERY chapter will end with a cliffhanger. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 20:26, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Gideon! I appreciate it, but I can also see where TDIRM is coming from. Again, I'll try to rein myself in with those goshdarn cliffies, though LAL having an old-fashioned serial kind of tone really tickles me for some reason. xD
And that's really interesting, Gideon! I'll have to see how I can handle a cliffy every single chapter of LTDI. Personally, I kinda like cliff hangers (mostly because they always get me excited for the next chapter and keep me interested on the story, which I guess doesn't apply to everyone). To me, the nail-biting suspense is the fun part! xD -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 00:47, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
As usual, you're doing a great job, Gigi! Even though the cliffhanger was a very dramatic moment for me, I gotta say, my forever favorite chapter was chapter 13 because it was so heart-warming and less intense; it was really a romantic moment with Noah carrying Heather to bed and kissing her hand; it really does show his soft side, which I knew he had all along. <^3 " You're 30% arrogant, 30% ignorant, and 40% idiot!" " Yep, she soo has a crush on me." Nickelodeon has the best lines. XD 03:39, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
Chapter 18 Discussion
Once again, I'm awful at updating and it really seems to be getting worse! I'm so sorry, and that goes for everything, not just the bad schedule. I apologize for this chapter. It's just... I don't like it. At all. Thank God this story is almost over and then we'll all finally be free. Thanks for putting up with me, everyone. I hope it wasn't too painful. xD -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 18:09, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, yes! I knew he wasn't killed! I actually loved this chapter since horror dares be my reputation. You didn't do bad, at all. All that had happened may be blurred right now because I'm still thinking about the last line, yet no matter, this was awesome! :DD Barbie... eat your heart out.♥ 18:19, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, since I'm a huge LAL fan (not the #1; that title goes to either Shane or Sunshine), I read fast. XD Barbie... eat your heart out.♥ 18:29, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Well, I'm glad someone likes it. Good Lord, this is the bloodiest thing I've ever written. There goes my readership, then. xD Oh, and MAJOR MAJOR props to Gideon for being my editor this time around! You get lots of sunshine and rainbows and sparkles. <3 -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 18:35, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Now, you may peg me as a freak for saying this, I'm Miss Bloodlust or Gore-Galore or whatever you wish to call me. Why do you think I have a pic of Carrie from the Stephen King novel as my avatar? XD (of course, that's to get in-character for a Carrie fic I'm writing; when I'm done, I'll think about changing it back to Woody. X3) Barbie... eat your heart out.♥ 18:40, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Wow. Cool! It's funny, though. I tend to read and write bloody and dark stuff but I watch a lot of feel good, happy ending type movies. I have no idea why that is, so don't ask me. xD -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 18:45, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Same here! I mean, a good fluffy Pixar or Disney film is great, but sometimes, I just want to relax and watch a horror movie while it's raining with the lights off (my fave horror film is the original Carrie). Barbie... eat your heart out.♥ 18:50, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, totally. So, for further consideration, what did you honestly think of this chapter? Be honest. I know I felt way out of my element when writing this one (action scenes? Gigi writing action scenes? Completely absurd. xD), but that's no excuse for how it turned out. Don't hold back. I can handle it! >D -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 18:56, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I admit, when I read this, I didn't really believe that you wrote it. I mean, I know you write some bloody crime action, but this horror movie stuff is really something I would be expected to write... But that's exactly what impressed me. You still kept Noah and Heather in-character and I still refused to click onto dA to search random pics; I couldn't turn away. I bet Gideon's proud of you, right now. Trust me, Gigi. This was worth the wait. :) Barbie... eat your heart out.♥ 19:09, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Heh, thanks. I think my biggest problem with this one was getting in all of the bloody actiony stuff but still somehow making it tasteful and trying to insert that dark sort of elegance I want to achieve with my style (LOL that's funny). We know how well that went. xD If I had to choose a part of this that I tolerate, though, I would say the ending, mostly because I wrote out that big paragraph (the one where Heather compares the dying agent to a child) in the ending scene before even starting this chapter, simply because it wouldn't leave my head. Also I also kinda enjoyed writing the very ending because I enjoy writing fluff, even if I always end up making it dark and bittersweet and really not fluffy at all. xD -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 19:19, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
LOL XD Glad I could critique (if that is a word to me; I don't take it so seriously nowadays). Barbie... eat your heart out.♥ 19:26, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
YAY! I like this chapter! This one gave me legitamate chills down my spine. Thank you again for this wonderous masterpiece! Goldenshane 20:02, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
LAL has long been one of the wiki's Great Works, and I am honored for the opportunity to help make chapter 18 the best it could be. Yes, this chapter had a lot of blood, but it was important to the story. It didn't seem at all gratuitous. (Something I just thought of, though: I'm guessing that the level of violence in this chapter is the reason why I was asked to stand in for Sprink as the LAL copy editor. Sprink's aversion to violence is well known and well documented.)
As for the long wait for this chapter to be published, I must accept some of the blame for that, given that chapter 18 was in my hands for three weeks.
As for the plot and events...Gigi, I honestly don't get why you're so down on this chapter. The plot was engaging and the characterizations were true to form. Even though Titiana's emerging madness did seem to come a little bit from left field, how much did we really know about her before? How much of the cold professionalism that we saw from her before was real, and how much was facade? The lapse in her professionalism--culminating in a scene that struck me as a rape metaphor--was her downfall, but by no means does that make the situation unrealistic.
I can understand why you might have been uncomfortable writing such graphic violence, but not being comfortable writing a scene and writing the scene poorly are separate concepts. I'm not really a fan of graphic violence, either, yet I wrote a scene that, until you posted chapter 18, may have been the wiki's most graphically bloody scene in a popular story. There's bloodshed, and there's gratuitous bloodshed. I said it once, but it bears repeating: you did NOT cross the line.
Thanks a lot, Gid! I'm honored you enjoyed it. (And yeah, you pretty much nailed my reason for asking you to do it this time around.)
So... if you didn't think I crossed a line, does that mean you don't think I need to change the rating to R? I have no problem doing that, really (to me, it's been a long time coming). After everything was said and done, I went back, looked at that last part and went "omg what was I ON when I wrote this?" xD I'll have to re-read that scene from Legacy and compare the two. Though I'm not sure about which one is bloodier, I still think your magnificent if graphic description (seriously, I love how much detail you inserted. Your medical research really shows) beats mine by a lot. Seriously, I got gooseflesh and nearly cried the first time I read it.
Anyway, I was actually more uncomfortable with the violence than I thought I would be. I have no idea why, though. This chapter's been in my head for a really long time, so it surprised me when I ended up having kind of a hard time with it. *shrug*
What I meant by not crossing the line is that, while your descriptions of bloodshed were graphic--especially with Titiana's death--I didn't think they really went beyond what advanced the story. It bears mention that you did the same thing with your blood scenes that I did with the scene from Legacy, i.e. emphasized that Heather did not find the bloodshed in any way satisfying, with the implication that the reader shouldn't, either. On a related note, the thought occurs that the very fact that you were so uncomfortable writing these scenes probably helped you to write them well, because that discomfort gave you an incentive to confine your violence to what was dramatically useful.
As for the rating question, we've discussed this before. Yes, LAL is now more violent than Legacy, primarily because Legacy has only the one violent scene, so LAL might now be pushing the envelope as to how much violence is acceptable in a PG-13 story, but my advice remains as it was: keep the rating at PG-13 unless and until people start to complain about the rating. I would also suggest, however, moving "violence" to the head of the list of reasons for the rating. On a related note, I suggest changing "adult situations" to "mature subject matter" in the list of reasons for the rating, because "adult situations" implies sexual innuendo, whereas "mature subject matter" is more general. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:17, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
That's understandable. I've gotten people commenting on how gory this chapter was, but no one's commented on the rating yet, so I guess its okay. I'll change the descriptions to what you said, though. -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 20:17, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
Man, I'm so sorry for myself that it took this long to read this.
Titiana was an extremely interesting character, the kind that you're glad died. What about Mendez, what role does she play in all of this? Why did Noah's father not fork over what he owed, and where can Heather and Noah go that's safe? Camp Wawanakwa?-I know you little libertine. I know you're a cannonball 15:29, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
To answer TDIRM's questions: (1) Rose has served her dramatic purpose, so we probably won't see her again. She and Noah's father will probably just go back to living their lives of luxury. (2) Noah's father DID finally fork over the money after Heather paid him a visit, but Rhoades decided that he wasn't content with that. The fact that Noah's father was able to simply cut a check for the amount that Rhoades demanded suggests that their dispute was no longer about the money, on either side--it had become personal, with Heather and Noah caught in the middle. Besides, chapters 15-16 made it clear that Noah's father has little love for him, which makes the situation the more tragic. Rhoades was ready to torture Noah to death in order to hurt Wilshire, either not understanding or refusing to accept that Wilshire does not value his son's life. There's also evidence that Heather was set up, given that DeMiller has apparently lost faith in her. (3) As for where Heather and Noah could go, Heather's colleague Charlie gave her an option in chapter 17 when he told her about the "resistance" (for lack of a better word). Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 17:00, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
...Yeah. Basically what Gideon said. xD Um, to be honest, now that everything's said and done, I look back and wish I could've done more with what I had. After the story is over, maybe I'll do a blog post or something where I can explain ideas that I came up with before and after, why some ideas where scrapped, acknowledging all the holes/stuff that doesn't really make sense, everything. It will probably be long and painful. Don't say I didn't warn you. xD -- I sing the song of the fading silver star... 00:50, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
OH MY GOD LAL CHAPTER 18 SQUEEE FIGHT ACTION AWESOME CREEPY TITANIA BLOOD DEATH WIN OMG EEEEEE!!! XD ...aaand to get a little more eloquent in my response, THAT WAS AWESOME. XDD That was probably one of the most epic and amazing violent and bloody climaxes I've read in a long, longtime. Heck, I just finished The Hunger Games and this beats that by a long shot (in the amazing part, though since this is LAL I'm sure it wins in the blood and violence catagory too...). I'm actually surprised that I wasn't all that disgusted or horrified by the violence here, though I suppose I did recently watch Princess Mononoke, and that might have been even more violent than LAL. I agree with Gideon in that the violence was a requirement to advance the story in the way you did (meaning, epically XD). I assume there's still at least one more chapter to come, right? RIGHT??? (Please tell me it's not over, I don't know what life will be like without asking every once and a while, "Is the next LAL up yet?" XDD) ~ Love and Ravioli, Sunshine ♥ 20:22, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
This climax beats the one from The Hunger Games???? Honestly, I think that's stretching it, but thank you anyway. I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I assure you there's more to come. I just need to get off my lazy butt and write it. xD
An Apology and a Thanks.
Thank you for reading my little story. I hope you got something out of it, whether it be good or bad. You can call it discontinued or complete, but either way, Life After Lies is now over. This decision was extremely hard for me to make and it's taken me a while to decide exactly what to do, but in light of recent events I think it's best to end this little purple prose rollercoaster now.
I'm very sorry I couldn't give you something more satisfying than what I did. I'm just as disappointed as you are, but things have been happening lately that have kept me away from the story from months. All I can say is that I'm kind of in a rough place right now in terms of both writing and life in general. Thanks for understanding. :)
Thank you to Gideon and Sprinklemist for editing and giving me direction with the story. All the praise I get for LAL is just as yours as it is mine. Thank you to Crystal, Spenny, Shane, TDIRM, and all of the other people who read and commented for making my days brighter whenever you honored me with feedback. You guys really kept me going.
Heather and Noah's fates are up to you now. Imagining up your own endings for characters is pretty hokey, I know, but I do it all the time! You should try it. Their endings, good or bad, are for you to decide. Personally, I'd go a bit easy on them, but then again, that's coming from me. xD
I'll never forget you guys and the good times we all had here.
All the love I can give,
I hope things go well for you, Gigi. That's what's most important to me. Sprinklemisthasn't changed his signature in a long time. 03:38, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Gigi, Life After Lies was completely your choice; and if you feel as though you need to pull the plug on it, so be it. I shall support your decision. While I hope that someday you'll write for it, I see that you won't. I'll miss seeing your writing, though hopefully I'll see it in a book someday! Anyway, I pray that things will get better for you. Goldenshane 14:22, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, well. It's your choice, Gigi. Honestly, it's been so long that I don't really care that much about the end anyway. XD I hope things turn out okay for you. God bless.--Radicalm18 "Nice guys finish last, that's why I'll treat you like trash." 18:49, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
WOW! I stayed up a long time just to finish this! I wish I could write this good! God bless you and thank you for putting this story up!Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy but here's my talk page, so message me, maybe. 23:48, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
It's JER. I read this story, and I have to say, it certainly caught me on more than any section of The Hunger Games ever had.
About a year ago today, I read your beautiful story and let me tell you. It's still my favorite Total Drama Fanfic of all time! ^^ I've made you a little fanart in honor of your wonderful writing! ArtyLou (talk) 22:19, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
When Gigi decided to discontinue Life After Lies after Chapter 18, leaving Heather and Noah out of immediate danger but facing an uncertain future, she invited her readers to imagine their own ending. I did. Gigi liked it so well that she blessed it as the official ending, so it now appears on the story page as Chapter 19. I did my best to stay true to Gigi's writing style, and I kept in mind that she originally envisioned a bittersweet ending. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 22:03, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
When I was a prolific member in the past, I always hailed this fanfic as my all-time favorite Total Drama fanfic. So, what's my consensus after going absent for a year? It's still my favorite! The pace is very brisk, the characterizaton is well-developed here, and this is one of those TDI darkfics that is fairly extreme, but makes the transition from teen gane show satire to an assassin's personal struggle to save the person she's hired to kill beautifully. Keep up the good work, Gigi. It would be a shame to waste the powers inside you... (talk) 21:56, December 14, 2014 (UTC)