If you want words or phrases added to the Glossary, make your requests in this section. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:42, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (we all have Katie and Sadie moments, even you! XD) I can't wait! i've been long awaiting this, as I have been intrigued. :D Reddy!!:) :( :D xD DX >:D ;( ;)Reddy loves emotioncons. 02:09, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, Kenzen, the grand total will be ~110k words, including things like the Glossary (but not character pages). To put that in perspective, Total Drama Reality, which is currently the longest page on the wiki, is ~84k words including things like the chapter summaries and the Trivia section (but, again, not character pages). You know by now, though, that I am nothing if not thorough. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 03:49, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
110k words, Wow that is long. Not to be rude but i might skim some parts XD. I am not the most focused person *watches tv for 20 minutes before saving the page and typing this*--Kenzen Eleven! 09:59, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
How many people read an entire competition fic in one sitting? If you approach TDI-G&S as a long-chapter competition story (which, in a sense, it is) it might seem less daunting. By the bye, the only section that will have as many as 7,000 words is the TDDDI section, and I'm still trying to pare that down a bit. The longest verses section (The Gondoliers) has about 5,000 words. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 14:59, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
Gilbert and Sullivan! :D my music teacher played me a tape of one of there operettas. I'm glad some one here had decided to do a deep story.-Matt/Zeke
It's not a "deep story" in the sense you seem to mean, Zeke. As I noted on my User page, this compilation will use G&S verse to retell the canon story arc in a new way. In other words, there won't be any incidents that we didn't see in the episodes. Think of it as a sort of ultra-songfic. (One or two episodes have more verse than most of the operettas, and I even have a verse for Gwen's dare to drink from the toilet.)
If you missed it, a sneak preview (a scene from the "psycho killer" episode) is available on my blog page. By the bye, my Username and all my signature parts come from G&S. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 21:53, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
One other thing that might interest you, Zeke (and anyone else who hasn't seen it). If you read Life After Lies, I whipped up a G&S playlist for it when it won Featured Story a couple of months ago. It originally had 15 songs (mostly complete) and left Gigi speechless. I have since expanded it to 30 songs. As with TDI-G&S, it's all about universal themes. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 01:30, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Reader poll - please vote
I am about ready to start posting the chapters for the actual TDI episodes, and I need to know whether people have a preference as to scheduling. I have set up a blog post and poll for that purpose. Please cast your votes there, since the blog post explains the situation in more detail. Thanks, Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 05:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
great ^_^ i got some of the references. (i read a part about the xx:yy thing but soon forgot XD) But i believe the (i.e.: 0.1:.20 Utpopia Unlimited) means Introduction, and then the 20th paragraph. Its hard for me to find the place agaoin XD Reddy!!:) :( :D xD DX >:D ;( ;)Reddy loves emotioncons. 02:17, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
I'll try to make the "How to Use the Guide" section a little clearer, Red, because being able to move quickly between the Guide to Incidents and the verses is critical to a satisfactory experience.
For every (xx.yy) reference in the Guide, there is a verse somewhere that has the same (xx.yy) marker. When you see a reference in the Guide, e.g. "Utopia Limited 01.20", call up you browser's Edit\Find command--NOT the wiki's search function--and enter the number string (in this case, 01.20) in the search bar. (On Internet Explorer, the keyboard shortcut to call up the Find function is <Ctrl>-F). The concept is similar to the internal navigation on a "Choose Your Own Adventure" page. Hope this helps. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:59, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
My bad, Reddy. I discovered that I hadn't posted the "How to Use the Guide" section. I imagine that was the root of your problem. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 03:07, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
It might help me explain, TDADJ, if you could tell me what you are confused about. If you are totally lost, think of it as one fan's version of Total Drama: the Musical (or, more precisely, Total Drama: the Comic Opera). Imagine a remake of TDI where the characters burst into song (or go about their business with a voiceover song) not just once or twice an episode (like in TDWT) but many times. Indeed, in some episodes, people would be singing more than speaking. In other words, the TDI episodes in my version would be true musicals. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 02:49, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I found some time, so I decided to leave my first comment. Episode #15 was quite well done. The thing I enjoy most about TDI, G&S is the in depth commentary, as I seem to pick up on things that I missed in the actual episode airings. Though, Episode #15 states that Izzy begins to transform into a main character, and I honestly never percieved her to be a main character. In TDI, she seemed secondary, and in the two following seasons, she seems exceedingly like a filler, returning when the writers need to stretch out the series for certain plot developments without eliminating key contestants. TDIwriter 01:04, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, TDIwriter. The visit counter seems to indicate that TDI-G&S has about a dozen regular readers, but they haven't been commenting.
In the episode 15 chapter, I noted that Izzy begins to transform into a "major" character, not a "main" character. A delicate distinction, I admit; but I see 4 tiers of characters in TDI, based mainly on the amount of screen time they get:
- Main: Duncan, Gwen, Heather, Owen (plus Chris)
- Major: Courtney, Geoff, Round 2 Izzy, Lindsay, and perhaps a couple of others
- Supporting: D.J., Harold, Trent, etc. (Not surprisingly, this category seems to be the largest of the four.)
- Minor: Ezekiel, Justin, Noah, and maybe a couple of others.
Some of the divisions aren't terribly clear-cut, particularly between "major" and "supporting". (For example, one could make a case for Chef Hatchet being either "major" or "supporting".) Note also that the listings above are in alphabetical order, and not necessarily in order of perceived importance. In addition, TDDDDI had a true ensemble script, with everyone active.
As for the episode summaries themselves, they generally have whatever level of detail is needed to support the verse references. As I believe I have noted elsewhere, the later episodes tend to have more references than the earlier episodes because the stories became more complex and detailed as the contestant roster dwindled, leaving fewer characters to track. For similar reasons, the later episodes tend to have longer summaries than the earlier episodes. Most of the first-half episodes had summaries of 2 pages or less, whereas 3-4 pages will be the norm for the next several chapters. Stretches of 3 or more paragraphs without a verse reference are generally rare, but become more common in the late episodes, especially TDDDDI.
I see. I usually group them into three categories; Main, Supporting and Minor. I guess I combine your definition of major with your definition of supporting into supporting. Characters you list as 'Major', would most likely fall into my 'Supporting' categories, with an exception or two, such as Geoff, who I might toss into the 'Main' area, at least for season one. The way the characters place into those categories mixes around, from season to season, with the exceptions of the very main ones, (Duncan, Owen, ect.). An example being Justin, who was the most minor character in season one, not including the special, but was a much more important character in the second season. TDIwriter 16:23, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the late commentary. I actually read Search and Do Not Destroy the day it was posted, but I didn't have a lot of time to comment. I'm going to attempt to faithfully leave comment throughout the rest of this story. This is most definately my favorite, so far. It mostly likely helps that Search and Do Not Destroy was my favorite TDI episode. I loved the way your words captured the emotions of Gwen and Trent, and the versus provided seemed to match up quite well, also. TDIwriter 03:46, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
No problem, TDIwriter. You're not being graded on punctuality. Besides, if commentary on one episode comes in before the next episode is posted, I don't see how it's really "late" in the first place. At least you're commenting.
"Search and Do Not Destroy" was never among my favorite episodes, although I recognized its importance to the story arc. As for capturing the characters' emotions, that's just part of the writing style that put me on the map around here, and illustrates how a good vocabulary and metaphor stockpile can convey just the right shade of meaning. Speaking of which, I think I've mentioned elsewhere that Gilbert used the full range of the English language vocabulary in his verse, refusing to pander to the "lowest common denominator". One result of this is that the G&S operas are wonderful vocabulary builders. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 04:39, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
Just finished reading chapters eighteen and nineteen, and I, surprisingly, enjoyed them. I say 'surprisingly', not to insult your writing skills, but because That's Off the Chain! and Hook, Line and Screamer were two of my least favorite episodes in the first season. This is probably due to almost all of my favorite characters, except for Geoff and LeShawna, have since been eliminated. However, you've managed to make those episodes enjoyable for me. Well done, sir. TDIwriter 01:55, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
It's flattering to hear that you liked my treatment of a certain episode when you didn't care for the original. If I may toot my own horn, this wiki owes a good deal to "Hook, Line and Screamer". It was whilst setting a verse to one of the Gwen/killer scenes that I got the idea that became the premise for Legacy. Before that, the notion of writing original stories wasn't even on my radar. As for "That's Off the Chain!", I liked the episode well enough for the most part, but I found the method of Lindsay's elimination extremely unsatisfying. (LeShawna's elimination was even more contrived, but more clearly satirized executive interference.) Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 03:51, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
I apologize for my lack of reading/commenting, but I read up to Dodgebrawl (due to TDIwriter's urging), enjoying your takes on them quite well. I only used the references a few times, but finding them amusing when I did (I am more prone to check them when I read something with a reference, where I wonder what could possibly relate to it). One part that I enjoy is where you state what is foreshadowed/where things get their foundation layed. Nice work, I appreciate the effort and time this took you. SprinklemistCyan is the new green. 04:00, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
Well, Sprink, as you've seen, I'm not the sort to do things by halves. As you have also seen, my mind works a little differently. My main reason for discussing things like the major character development elements of this or that episode, describing the emergence of storylines, and so on, is that (as I have mentioned elsewhere) this compilation was originally intended for a general-interest website, and was intended (almost) as much to introduce people to TDI as to introduce them to G&S. In any case, the analysis tags for some of the later episodes actually have verse references attached to them.
Whatever the reason, though, I'm naturally glad to see you come back to this. I do know that you had read some of it before, since you commented on its "dry humor" the first time I put it up for Featured Story. As for the verse references, enjoying those that you have followed up to this point might induce you to check them out more frequently in future, either on the "first run" or in "reruns"--and if not, so be it. The unique structure of this compilation does give readers an opportunity to "customize" their experience in ways that a normal story doesn't. Gideoncrawle I have a song to sing, O! Sing me your song, O! A wandering minstrel, I-- 05:08, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I read chapter 5 with hopes of being able to read more, but I kept getting distracted. I really liked the chapter and appreciated your analysis on why Heather just couldn't vote out Gwen. That always confused me, as she never targeted her enemies, at least early on with the voting. I also liked your terminology of Lindsay being an 'uberbimbo'. I found that amusing. Sprinklemisthasn't changed his signature in a long time. 00:09, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
Decided to come back and reread this over the course of the last two days. I don't think I read the TDDDDI episode the first time around, so that was cool to have something new to read. I have to say, reading this brought me back not only to my days as a wiki regular, but reminded me of why I loved season one so much during its original run. I urge anyone who hasn't already read this, especially new users who may not know of this page, to seriously consider giving it a look. Hopefully my leaving this comment can spark some good ol' fashioned curiousity. Faith No More RIP MCA 05:20, December 30, 2013 (UTC)